FANCY SWISS RESTAURATEUR PLAYS IT CLOSE TO THE CHEST "The owner of the Storchen restaurant in the exclusive Winterthur resort will improve his menu with local specialities such as meat stew and various soups and sauces containing at least 75 per cent of mother's milk. 'We have all been raised on it. Why should we not include it into our diet?' Hans Locher, who has become Switzerland most controversial restaurant owner, said. Mr Locher attracted the attention of the leading media of the German-speaking world this week after he posted ads looking for women donors, who will receive just over three pounds for 14 ounces of their milk."

Sep 18, 2008 · posted by Cord Jefferson, MollyGood · Link · 50 Responses
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Comments (50)

No. 1 puhleeze says:

ew.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:31 am
No. 2 April says:

no.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:42 am
No. 3 puhleeze says:

ew no.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:44 am
No. 4 oilybohunk7 says:

Do. Not. Want.

P.S. We weren't all raised on it. I was a bottle fed baby. No breast milk has ever passed my lips and I don't see why I should start now.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:47 am
No. 5 janice says:

3 pounds? That would buy about half a sandwich. Cheap-o.

Also, ew no.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:49 am
No. 6 Stoney says:

Yeah, um, I was raised on formula, so…

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:59 am
No. 7 Suck it! says:

I wasn't breastfed but I have tasted breastmilk as an adult. A friend was pumping and I was curious. It's slightly sweet and more watery than you'd expect.

It's funny how most of us think nothing of drinking cow or goat's milk but gross out at the milk that was made to nourish us as infants. I'm not judging, I don't want breast milk cream cheese on my bagel, but I do think our aversion to milk of our own species is ironic.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 12:14 pm
No. 8 VaNcItY says:

gross. Does he know how fattening breast milk is? The reason we feed it to babies is so they can grow. See how fast a newborn grows into a one year old? Adults should not be drinking it.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 12:32 pm
No. 9 Ska??i says:

Suck It has summarized my own thoughts quite nicely. Breastmilk actually is mostly water. When it sits in the refrigerator it separates, and you see that only a small fraction of it is fatty.

I'm a breastfeeding enthusiast (I really can't understand denying your child the chance to be healthier and smarter if you haven't had problems nursing), however it's really not normal for any species to continue to drink milk past a very young age. The average worldwide weaning age is 4 or 5, I believe. Past that there's no need for it. As a matter of fact, Caucasians are pretty much the only humans that do not have a lactose intolerance. I think we started drinking milk because we were deficient in Vitamin D, because of the lack of much sunlight in the thick forests of the north.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 12:44 pm
No. 10 april says:

I don't want breast milk, never have.

Smarter? That's a crock. Why are babies who are breast fed smarter? Because their moms are home and have time to breastfeed them every meal. They are given more attention and it makes them smarter. It is not rocket science.

Also - collostrum (or whatever) is what makes them healthier, not the milk.

I say you want to breast feed do it, its great for bonding and does increase immunties in the first few days, but I hate how no one looks critically at the facts about it and then makes moms who don't want to/ can't feel bad. Arrrrg.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:01 pm
No. 11 april says:

I don't want breast milk, never have.

Smarter? You aren't deying the opporunity. Why are babies who are breast fed smarter? Because their moms are home and have time to breastfeed them every meal. They are given more attention and it makes them smarter. It is not rocket science.

Also - collostrum (or whatever) is what makes them healthier, not the milk.

I say you want to breast feed do it, its great for bonding and does increase immunties in the first few days, but I hate how no one looks critically at the facts about it and then makes moms who don't want to/ can't feel bad. Arrrrg.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:02 pm
No. 12 oilybohunk7 says:

I agree April.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:11 pm
No. 13 stopthemadness says:

whose mother's milk are they going to be serving?

i'd like to know first, because quite frankly, i don't want to be drinking the boob juice of some woman i don't even know. unless that woman smokes a lot of weed and drinking her boob juice will like, totally make me high, man.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:15 pm
No. 14 stopthemadness says:

suck it!, i liken it to my willingness to eat bacon, but my unwillingness to eat people.

(it's a totally crap analogy, but i think it's funny to to liken breast feeding to cannibalism.)

i guess i'm still feeling like an asshole today.

cheers!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:18 pm
No. 15 payter says:

april I think that is a big assumption to make that babies that are breastfed have mother's that stay home with them. I know plenty of women - including myself at this precise time - who breastfeed their children and work. Meaning OTHER PEOPLE often are the ones to feed them their milk. Formula comes close to replicating the health benefits of breastmilk, but nothing can adequately replace the nutrition that naturally comes from breastmilk. My 3 kids were/are all breastfed and have never had a ear infection and if that is the only benefit - heck I will take it!!

That being said - I do not want to eat food myself that has breastmilk in it. Unless like STM said, it was from a drinking mom. White Russians anyone??!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:46 pm
No. 16 queencrone says:

Semen has a lot of protein.

I wonder if this will be the next item in this disturbing new food trend.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 1:59 pm
No. 17 Suck it! says:

STM- I understand. I'd cut a bitch before giving up my Ben & Jerry's Oatmeal Cookie pint but I'm not interested in Areola Cherries & Cream or Mammary Mint.

Here's a question for you. Would you try people meat if someone offered it and you knew there would be no legal ramifications and no one was murdered for it? It's been almost 20 years since I last tasted bacon but that shit was good so I can only imagine how sweet and savory people would taste so I'd probably have to have a tiny taste. Maybe a PLT.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 2:01 pm
No. 18 Ska??i says:

April, when I say breastfed babies are smarter, I'm talking about multiple studies that have shown them to have an average IQ of 7 points higher than that of formula-fed babies. Like payter, I too am currently nursing and working full-time. I qualify for WIC, so they have lent me a pump that I use twice a day, and I go home at lunch to nurse. Since babies are able to create a much stronger suction, it's important to nurse as often as possible in order to keep your supply up.

When I say healthier, I'm talking about multiple studies that show that FF babies on average visit the doctor's office 6 more times in the first year.

I don't want to make any FFing moms feel bad for not being able to BF. I understand that there are extenuating circumstances, and I understand that many people are poorly educated about the benefits. That is why I advocate as much as possible. For example, april's assertion that it is only the collostrum that carries special health benefits. Collostrum only lasts the first few days, before the mother's milk comes in. The milk itself has antibodies. This is why formula has to be thrown out and breastmilk can be placed back in the fridge to be used at the next meal even if it's been sitting out for an hour. I have spent hours researching, and I've also spent about $300 consultanting with a lactation consultant and later attending a class for mothers returning to work.

100 Reasons To Breastfeed (complete with links to research):
http://www.aperturewebdesign.c.....;Itemid=55

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 2:27 pm
No. 19 Ska??i says:

that would be "consulting", not "consultanting"

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 2:30 pm
No. 20 April says:

@ skaoi

i wasnt attacking you and i apologize if it came off that way. i dont think you were trying to attack ff moms at all. the topic made me want to say that more than what you said, i want that clear because i know i wasnt clear before.

that being siad. i know about all the studies. show me the study of breast fed babies being smarter that includes NO stay at home moms, Yes many women work and breast feed but many women dont and all those children are included in the study. those with stay at home moms are at a great advantage.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 2:36 pm
No. 21 April says:

also i am not poorly educated on the topic. there are anti-bodies but as you said formula closely replicates breast milk.. the collustrum, however, made almost solely of antibodies and immune system boosters has not been replicated and is probably the single biggest advantage of breast feeding.

women should breast feed, if they can for the first few days and after that its really what you put in and how you raise the child. breast milk is not the golden nectar. there are extenuating circumstances that women cant breast-fed, true but then there are just women who don't want to and shouldn't be bullied into it (again - not you skaoi, i mean some advocates which is why i get so upset about the topic).

my best friend is a midwife, the things i have seen being around her and heard told to women by some advocates is terrible.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 2:42 pm
No. 22 payter says:

Good points Skadi.

I too understand not all people can "do" breastfeeding. But I think not enough people give it a shot. I remember with my first I was in so much pain I almost gave up in the first two weeks, but once I got past that point it was so much better. I pump in order to work and it is not fun, but totally worth it. I have a friend though that never even wanted to do it, and I get that is her opinion and option.

I feel like society doesn't give BFing moms enough credit. I don't think it is as accepted as it should be in public places. If a mom is discrete - which is possible - why shouldn't a mom be able to feed their child in a public place? That is the stuff that drives me nuts. You get plenty of info about which formula to buy (coupons, extras, diaper bags in the hospital), but not enough info on how you can breastfeed and make it work.

Suck it - you forgot Butternipple Swirl.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 2:43 pm
No. 23 Ska??i says:

I'm sorry that came out as implying you were uneducated. You basically said that only collostrum contained immunity boosting agents, and that is simply untrue. I was trying to say that it was an example of misinformation. Here is an article I just found real quick that summarizes a lot of what I'm trying to say.

http://ezinearticles.com/?IQ,-.....p;id=46796

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 3:15 pm
No. 24 payter says:

I think the antibodies in BM do give it a "golden nectar" like quality. I was told to put some in my daughter's eye when she had a blocked tear duct and it cleared it up. This was after weeks of following the doctor's orders to no avail.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 3:32 pm
No. 25 janice says:

You know, I understand that there are a lot of benefits to breastfeeding (for mom and baby both) and for that reason, if I have a child I'll probably give it a shot.

But I have to say, thank you April, because I feel like there is a certain degree of bullying and judgment directed toward women who choose not to. I personally am not comfortable with the idea of something suckling milk out of me… maybe this will change, but maybe it won't. There is no reason I couldn't breastfeed (as far as I know), I just straight up find it weird. To me. For me. Personally. And if this stays the case, I would hate to be made to feel bad about it. Like anything else, it is a personal choice that people make for very personal reasons, and it shouldn't be an issue whether or not other people understand it. Breastfeeding does not, in and of itself, make you a better mom than someone who doesn't, and I feel like it's too often the case that people make this assumption.

Anyway, like I said, thank you April.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 3:32 pm
No. 26 queencrone says:

In other culinary news, I am sniffing this onion because I plan on salting my soup with my tears.

Innovative!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 3:52 pm
No. 27 april says:

Skaoi I just want to be clear, I didn't mean to attack you personally.

Exacty janice. Thank you

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:03 pm
No. 28 janice says:

Oh, and I should also clarify, I meant to say "Like anything else *of this intimate nature*…" I didn't mean to imply that breastfeeding was like shoe shopping or something.

And also, no personal attacks here either. Hugs and snugs.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:07 pm
No. 29 april says:

Oooh and yes I agree women who tastefully breast in public should not be treated the way they are. Same for women who breastfeed 2 year olds. I agree its unfair.

I'm not anti breastfeeding I just think the pressure women put on other women is unfair.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:08 pm
No. 30 Ska??i says:

Janice, believe it or not many breastfeeding moms are subjected to the same type of stigma you describe. Many many more moms formula feed, or do not extend breastfeeding beyond 6 weeks to 3 months, so that is why I feel the need to expound on the benefits. Unfortunately our society has negatively affected women's perceptions of breastfeeding, so your uncomfortable associations are perfectly understandable. I sincerely hope that whenever you do have kids you give it a try. Most importantly, read as much as you can so that you can make informed decisions throughout your pregnancy and during your stay in the hospital. Unfortunately, as much as I read about being pregnant, I didn't read so much about raising babies until my son was already born. The nurses in the hospital were terrible. I had to go to that consultation because it turned out the advice they had given me on HOW to breastfeed (positioning, etc) was wrong. I spent the first night home (the 4th day, which was the day my milk came in) crying along with him because he refused to eat. As soon as she showed me the correct way to get him to latch, I never had any more problems getting him to latch on. Basically the way I was shown to hold his head made his chin turn too much towards his chest, and it was hard for him to swallow, as I had an overactive letdown. It's also important to make sure that more of the bottom half of the breast tissue is in the baby's mouth to prevent cracking and bleeding (I've never had any issues with sore nipples thanks to my LC).

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:10 pm
No. 31 Ska??i says:

April, we're cool!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:11 pm
No. 32 janice says:

Dude, I am totally comfortable with other women breastfeeding. Hell, they can do it on my lap. I'll hold it for them. But when it comes to my body, I think it would feel alienating to me. I can't describe it any better. I'm also extremely uncomfortable with a lot of the physical aspects of pregnancy, and although I want a child, I may adopt to avoid having to deal with it. Call me territorial, call me unmotherly, I'm just being honest.

I feel like the whole attitude echoes the ideas surrounding "natural childbirth," that somehow women who opt for drugs or C-sections are somehow less motherly than women who do it "the natural way." There is a superiority there that makes no sense. We are all different.

You know, there are charted benefits to breastfeeding, yes. But there are also studies that show that a mother's attitude, mood, and stress level is perceived by their babies. I think this is probably the more important influence. A baby who breastfeeds from an anxious and unhappy mother will not be better off for it. And yes, I will try it, but I think it's wrong that other women, who do not know my situation, my feelings, or my background, would assume that I haven't put any thought into this decision, that I am somehow uneducated about the benefits, or that I don't have my baby's best interests at heart for some reason.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:23 pm
No. 33 janice says:

Holy run-on sentence, Batman! Ah well. My emotions got the better of my grammar.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:25 pm
No. 34 April says:

Janice - EXACTLY!! About hte natural v. drug child birth. People make you feell like your children should be taken away from you for wanting drugs.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:27 pm
No. 35 payter says:

It is true, I had a friend who told the hospital upon going in to deliver, that she wanted to breastfeed exclusively. Apparently, even though it was in her records, when the nurses had the baby in the nursery, they fed her baby formula. She had a heck of a time getting the baby to latch on correctly after he had a bottle during the early stages. The hospital I gave birth to my 3rd (7 mos ago in Kansas City), really didn't do much to support me (no consultation with a lactation expert etc), but they did give me a ton of free samples for formula. Whether that is a product of that hospital or of it being my 3rd, who knows?! I do know in Wisconsin (where my other two were born) they were all over me to teach me how to do it and making sure I felt comfortable.

Every mom should do what makes them feel like the best mom they can be. I have a friend who was grossed out by the act of bfing, but had no problem pumping. She pumped all the time and always used bottles for her son. Personally I feel like a cow when I pump, but whatever works! :)

Natural childbirth is just nuts in my opinion!! Drugs rule!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:51 pm
No. 36 sar says:

Instead of discussing the whys and the hypocrisies, and the bizarre reference to how fattening breast milk is from a commentator I can only assume is Nicole Richie… can we all just admit that this is a totally ick and grodie idea, probably thought up by a twisted perv?

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 4:59 pm
No. 37 payter says:

agreed sar!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 5:01 pm
No. 38 stopthemadness says:

suck it!, when you come up with a tasty recipe for a PLT, i've got the body of a man i killed in the trunk of my car.

HE WAS ASKING FOR IT.

judge not lest ye be judge judy.

(mammary mint is some hilarious business.)

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 5:19 pm
No. 39 stopthemadness says:

the body is in the trunk of my car.

i didn't kill him in the trunk of my car.

oh no.

i killed him in the face.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 5:20 pm
No. 40 stopthemadness says:

QC-

good lord, i hope not.

isn't it supposed to be good for your skin? like as a facial mask?

ok, i'm veering this thread right off into weirdo land.

so…

come here often?

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 5:22 pm
No. 41 queencrone says:

I would kind of get a kick out of watching Paula Dean whip up something with breat milk.

Or maybe the judges on Top Chef can have the contestants come up with some creative challenge (for immunity) using breast milk.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 6:16 pm
No. 42 Suck it! says:

breast milk mayonaise! breast milk butter! fried, blackened breast milk fritters!

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 8:33 pm
No. 43 VaNcItY says:

@ sar:

I don't think my comment was bizarre. My point was breast milk is for babies, to help them grow. It is not meant for adults.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 9:37 pm
No. 44 queencrone says:

Right "Suck it!"? :-)

"Love and best dishes from my kitchen to yours!"

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 10:16 pm
No. 45 queencrone says:

VaNcItY, and I think Skaoi brought this out too.

I heard this long ago, I think from a doctor, how humans are the only mammals that drink milk WELL after we have been weaned.

So I thought that I would use this information to my advantage, to save money on groceries.

I came home and told the kids that since they were old and had been weaned many years ago, I would not be purchasing milk any longer. (Milk has always been just about as expensive as gas, you know.)

They got all roused and said:

"But Momma. We cannot put beer on our cereal. That would be redundant!"

They convinced me to continue to purchase milk when they brought up the "oreos factor". We can't have oreos without milk.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 10:33 pm
No. 46 YerMom says:

I too was a bf skeptic until I decided to give it a go. It was terribly hard and painful for the first two weeks, after that is was awesome. I never even bothered with bottles because she refused them and I was just too lazy. I breastfed my baby girl until she was 11 months old and my doctor insisted I take an anti-biotic to cure a cold. I almost cried. Since her birth my daughter has gotten sick three times, she has never once been to the hospital. She is now three and has the immune system of a bull. That being said, I think this is a bad idea. The only breast milk I might consider drinking would be my own.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:48 pm
No. 47 YerMom says:

QC, you are like the mother I never had. I think corn flakes would be delicious with corn flakes.

Posted: Sep 18, 2008 at 11:49 pm
No. 48 YerMom says:

Er, Budlight.

Posted: Sep 19, 2008 at 12:16 am
No. 49 queencrone says:

YerMom, you know, when my boys were teenagers, they could put away some milk. I am talking a gallon of milk a day per son.

They liked to come home from their sports, (football and basketball)and they would put that jug to their lips and just open their throat and have at it.

I had to buy milk by the crap load then. I would use an indelible marker and put names on the gallon jugs of milk.

I can't be using some milk that someone put their mouth on. So my girls and I used the jugs that I labeled "family".

Posted: Sep 19, 2008 at 12:22 am
No. 50 sar says:

Vancity - it's not that it was such a bizarre point, but that it seems like the very least of the off-putting and concerning factors in this story.

Posted: Sep 19, 2008 at 10:06 am
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