Well, I think Michael Richards finally found a way to distinguish himself from his Seinfeld character, Cosmo Kramer. Unforch, it involved a completely out-of-line tirade on stage at the Laugh Factory this weekend. TMZ reports and has video, which is pretty unsettling:
Kyle Doss, an African-American, told TMZ he and some friends were in the cheap seats and he was playfully heckling Richards when suddenly, the comedian lost it.
The camera started rolling just as Richards began his attack, screaming at one of the men, "Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass."
Richards continued, "You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now motherf**ker. Throw his ass out. He's a nigger! He's a nigger! He's a nigger! A nigger, look, there's a nigger!"
Cough. Well that's one way to completely alienate an audience.Jerry Seinfeld released a statement in response, telling TMZ:
"I am sick over this. I'm sure Michael is also sick over this horrible, horrible mistake. It is so extremely offensive. I feel terrible for all the people who have been hurt."
Also, according to MSNBC, Richards performed again the next night without making a scene and claims to have "made amends." What the hell does that even mean? Amends with who? Everyone he may have offended. Over/Under on how quickly he checks into rehab of some sort? Three days. What an asshole.
As a multi-racial Black-Jew, I have to say when I saw this video for the fist time, I was so confused. The remarks he made; If they were meant to be comical, were not.
He talks about fifty years ago...well, not only were blacks pitched forked, but Jews like Richards as well.
Anybody recall the Holocaust? Anybody?
Blacks are so similar to Jews in many ways; We both have big noses, and penises. We wear gold chains on our chests. We both work in the entertainment industry. And most importantly,WE HAVE BOTH SUFFERED THROUGH SLAVERY. IF A NIGGER IS A SLAVE, THEN JEWS ARE MORE NIGGERISH THAN ANY RACE. COUNT HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE BEEN ENSLAVED, BY HOW MANY RACES? EVEN EGYPTIANS( BLACKS ).
If this were 4000 years ago, and Richards had talked to an Egyptians like that, they would have stuck a pitched fork up his ass, made him walk it off, and resume building Cayro( Kyro ).
After seeing this, I don't think I am ever going to make a racist remark ever again. Being descriminated against hurts everybody. I have been called a Nigger by one of my girlfriends before ( no, she was not white ). I never said anything, but it hurt inside. Alot. Especially when you care about that person.
I am so surprised, because I never suspected any racism. I really loved the guy, still do. But he has some issues. No statement of apology can change what he said.
And I apologize for using the term "Honkey Bitch" towards so many white women. I was wrong, very wrong.
Since there is no such thing as bad publicity aren't we all a little relieved that he decided to forgo the obvious sex-tape release followed by fake outrage?
I would just like to add:
Many people are comparing Richards to Mel Gibson. This is very inaccurate. Mel Gibson WAS under the influence when he said all thoe vulgar things. Michael Richards was fully concious and aware of what he was doing.
I am not offended by what he said, as much as some,( I really don't think he knew what he was doing ) I really do love the guy. But his opinions and views DO NOT reflect the Jewish Community. For Millinia, Jews and blacks have been working together. King Solomon himself was half Ethiopian and Jewish. There are many Ethiopian-Jews.
You know...maybe Kramer is NOT Jewish...maybe he was just lying about that...
Quit crying you snivelling bitches! I've heard far worse from black 'comedians.' Ever heard the racist crap from Chris Rock? Dave Chappelle? Get over it. The racist in the audience was heckling him, so Richards responded. The heckler can dish it out -- but can't take it.
To put it another way... If don't want to be called a n*gg*r, don't act like one. Shut-up and let the man do his act. It's curious how the tape only begins when Richards starts his diatribe. What was said prior to that by the audience? I suspect it wasn't very nice.
ledge, your a genious! "if you don't want to be called a n***er, don't act like one!" perfectly said!
Ledge, that is just the point, Chris Rock Dave Chappelle, ( Eddie Murphy was only telling the truth on raw, about his scuffle with an Italian, he made no racist remarks.) They are all wrong. Have you even seen the video on TMZ? The Heckler told Richards that his friend thought he was not funny. Thats it. Immediately, Richards responded with a racist remark. He( The black man ) did the right thing and walked out. True, he did call him a Cracker-Ass, but that was after the term Nigger was used. He yelled at the top of his lungs. He meant what he said.
Now, I was just wondering...How does a Nigger act? " If (you) don't want to be called a n*gg*r, then don't act like one."
So every time someone starts acting ignorant, and expresses their opinion, they are refered to as a Nigger?
I would like to see the whole tape from the begining as you do. Then I can make an assessment of the situation. Still, no reason to speak out against an entire race of people, and that goes for Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock too. I find it *Interesting* that a Hispanic man is the owner of the Laugh Factory, or whatever the hell that place is called. I wouldn't be surprised if Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa was behind all of this. He has been meeting with several Jews lately. If they have some kind of plot going, then I bet Richards volunteered to do this. I don't know. It just all seems phoony.
And I agree with you Molly, when you stated he performed the next night and made amends. With who? Your right on, Molly.
And that goes for you too, Ledge, KIKI, if you don't want to be called a Nigger, then don't act like one. That goes for every race. Sure are some racist people on your site Molly, see what I meant when I said so?
It doesn't matter what the heckler was saying before this happened, that is no reason to insult an entire race because of what a couple of people were saying. Also, not all hecklers are black people and black people are not the only ones who act inappropriately in public. There is not one perfect race out there! You can't judge a whole race on the actions of a couple of people. The people who are saying that they want to know what was said beforehand, just in case they were making racist remarks first. Still not reason for what was said in the video. That would be like me saying that Kramer is a racist jew and all jews should go to hell and try and justify it because of the remarks he made. He could have been mature and handled the situation like an adult!
As for the people who are saying that it's acceptable to use the word n***** and say the comments he did because black people use the word when referring to each other, well they are not using the word to insult each other, Michael was saying it to be rude and insulting because he was pissed off. And it's not only black people who compare races in comedy, white people do it also without sounding racist all the time. And the people bitching that white people can't use the word n***** but black people can without sounding racist, get over it! Who the hell cares whether you can use the word or not! Just don't use it if you don't want to insult people! Black people have gone through enough with slavery and all the racism throughout the years. When has any type of racism actually affected white people the same way? It hasn't! So stop bitching about black people being racist and how it isn't fair for Kramer to be called out for this and all that shit! Get over yourself!
As evidenced by name, I use the word "nigga." Some agree. Some disagree. But I think that any discussion about that word's use or the use of "nigger" in different contexts has to be separated from the hateful, racist vomiting that Michael Richards launched into at The Laugh Factory. To defend that is to be blind, deaf, racist or some combination of the three.
Also, Richards did not say what he said in an attempt to connect with the hip-hop audience. Let's be real. Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock? There can be reasonable discussion over whether they should use the word. But to attack someone and call them a "nigger" like Richards did? That's scary.
I've heard it said that pressure doesn't build character, it reveals it. Faced with a heckler in a comedy club -- who would'a thunk it -- Richards goes immediately to his racist well. That's who he is. That has nothing to do with his being Jewish. It's simply evidence that he is afflicted with a disease called racism that may very well kill this great nation just as it killed so many who "hung upside down."
New Millennium Nigga- whoa. That was deep. Well said.
While there is no excuse for such a tirade, ignoring would have been the best tactic,I don't think that ghetto Blacks realize how disturbing the heckling, the straight to nuts, top of their voices, out of control, often vulgar dissing bothers other races. It's part of what causes the problems with Asians (Korean store owners etc.) who simply do not know how to respond to such freaking loud behavior. It's considered bad manners and ignorant and it gets old. People get tired of being shrieked at, and having to suck it up, because any response is racist.
I believe niggers come in many colors. I personally don't use the word, but believe that "nigger" refers to a low standard of behavior, and that it isn't confined to one race.
I think we all have issues with color and class, and certainly what our peers consider tacky deportment. It's a shame he lost it. I feel bad for everyone who was there.
Had the hecklers been on the stage performing, and had they been interuppted, I'm sure the interuptor would have been greated with "Hey, Fuck you mother fucker." Personally, I'm tired of poor mom getting blasted everytime some one goes into a rage.
And, finally, as long as ghetto Blacks continue to call each other "nigga" which they will tell you they have the right to do, then that word and it's forms will not disappear from the lexicon.
i think the word "nigger" is the least of it--how about the whole 50 yrs ago we'd a strung you up, fork etc. bit??? jesus f. christ!!! WHERE DID THAT COME FROM??? I know, I know the history of this country...
Did you guys actually see the video? Those guys in the audience got a verbal beating like I had never seen or even ever could imagine! Add the racist content and it does remind me somewhat of the rodney king beating, only this time it was a verbal beating.
I think we need to neutralize the n-word, because it has way too much power, and power can and is often abused. No one should have that much power over another human being. still, the way he went off the deep end, screaming and hollering like a madman, just made it that much worse. ever heard of anger mngmt?
Richards went completely OFF the deep end in his rant. I say sign him up for Anger mgmt classes--esp. if he had NO drugs or alcohol in his system. That is just plain ol' RAGE!
I would say that ignorant, disrespecful people come in all colours, but as far as 'niggers' go, only one. I don't understand what retconning history in order to suit a more diplomatic belief system does to alleviate the situation; it is simply ignoring the facts. When that word is used, whatever the context or intent, it can only be aimed towards one group. That is not a poltical or cultural issue, it is simply semantics. And when a person of any race, culture or creed uses that word, it has connotative value, because that is how language works. So, I believe that separate from the discourse surrounding whether it is appropriate for blacks to use the term (I'm black, I don't happen to use it, but whatev's that isn't the issue I'm essentially addressing), there is an issue of language here. Why is it appropriate for such a culturally loaded and aggressive to be used as a pejorative against all races when its original intent is only to be used as insulting towards one? Does that not suggest that whatever the background, it is most damning to be branded as a unsuitably black person?
Stand-up comedy does have a history of inciting heckling. I, for one, have a very thin skin when it comes to things like that, that's why I don't pursue it. Anyone who presents himself in such a public forum is opening himself up to criticism. In this area, it just happens to be immediate, and much more vociferous. As far as the argument goes that he may have been trying to relate to the audience in a hip-hop context...well that's bunk. I don't even have to bother posting why. There's being provocative, and there's provoking. If you can't handle stand-up, then sit your ass down like the rest of us do.
As far as 'getting over it' goes, while I would never say that as black people we should let history give us carte blanche to act like fools today, you can never put a stopwatch on people's healing. The reality of the word is that is has been used as a rallying call to any number of injustices volleyed at us for hundreds of years. To hear that word used that way signals a deep visceral response that can't be explained, and should not have to suffer the indignity of condescension. We have come a long way, and will continue to grow, but to deny the affect of past hurts on a national psyche--no matter the race of the person--doesn't help that growth. When black comedians use the word 'nigger', or 'nigga', even though I don't use it, it is part of an understood discourse between the comedian and the audience on the significance, relevance, and power of that word which draws on a shared and understood history. When Richards used it, it wasn't adding to a debate, shedding light on anything, it was not a Lenny Bruce routine. It was what it has been for a long, long time: said in anger, meant to offend, coming from a place of ignorance, and a really quick and effective way to bring up old wounds.
Hopefully the result of all this will be intelligent discussion with an ear towards the hurt, acknowledgement of growth, and more attempts to continue on that path. So for that Mr. Richards, thank-you. As for the rest, piss-off, George was sooooo much funnier than you!
does this mean that I can' t watch Seinfeld anymore?
and he didn't say string him up, he said stick a fork in...THere is a difference, but the 50 years ago line was the real sign.
It's too bad, I enjoyed his work in UHF and problem child.
Michael Richards is an idiot. Why give his comments any credibility at all. Obviously he's a sorry loser and probably mentally unstable. He's an old old dog who ain't up to learning any new tricks. He needs to go join a retirement community in Boca Raton.
I'm old. I remember the fifties and sixties. For years "nigger" was not used. Sometime in the early 90's it took off again, maybe with HopHop. While I understand the difference between nigger and nigga, the resulting reuse has become the same. And we have an entire generation of young people who have to learn all over again that that word is completely unacceptable.
I didn't invent the idea that "niggers" come in all colors. I'm not reinventing history here. That was a well used phrase, the idea being that actually no race was less than any another and that the term, if it had to be used , should apply to all colors and all tacky behavior. It's easy to dismiss history, but revisiting it can also be helpful.
Having taught for many years and having been called everything but a pink kangaroo, I can promise you that it's easiest just to let insults roll off, and let it go. Obviously someone lost it big time, inexcusably. Annoyed though he was, a man of his generation and employment should have expected that he might have to possibly deal with hecklers, and either been ready to handle them , or have stayed home.
As for "nigga" I wonder what MLK, Black Panthers,Malcolm,Medgar Evers et al would say about it. Maybe they are old and not relevant now to some, but they sure laid it on the line so that opportunities were available, and so that discourse could become and remain civil.
I am old too. I used the word 'old' because it seems that the bigoted attitudes are from another generation. People like Martin Scorcese for example- his movies are full of ethnic and racial 'slights' if you will. It's the same with people like woody allen. Even at my office not too long ago while addressing a group of twenty-somethings the fifty-something person speaking made referance to his Italian heritage by using a derogatory term the young people in the audience were unfamiliar with. To me Michael Richards is like many of the people I knew growing up. They spoke the same way Michael Richards did at the Laugh Factory. That's why I called him old.
I must say that I also believe that niggers only come in one color (as the words origin suggest). To often people try to justify the use of the word nigger as interchangeable with ignorant, slovenly, rude, etc. however, it was orginally interchangeable with black, that was the only requirement for being a nigger. Do you think that to be a "nigger-love" is to love some one who is rude? I think people's justification of it's usage in association with negative traits is a display of ignorance common in our society, not just among any particular race either.
Richards is a stand-up comedian. Comedians are live-entertainers, it is the nature of the beast that they get heckled. Instead of showing an modicum of intellect or talent, for that matter, he acted like a fool. A racist fool at that.
Heckling is a LARGE part of doing stand-up. You're performing in front of a live audience and people are not likely to watch you stink up the stage with thier hands quitely folded in their laps. Either you rise to the challenge or you return another day. And contrary to the belief of some, it is normal for audiences to heckle and even boo. In England, if the crowd doesn't like you they will drown out your voice with boo's. It's not a black thing or a white thing, it's a stand-up thing.
For people to use Dave Chappelle's name is association with this incident is ridiculous. Poop jokes and piss joke aside, the Chappelle's Show was remarkable social commentary that many popular entertainment shows are completely incapable of. I'm sorry that you miss the point...
I also find it interesting that no one responded to Mary's comments. So, I will, because I found some of them to be interesting and a bit disturbing.
"I don't think that ghetto Blacks realize how disturbing the heckling, the straight to nuts, top of their voices, out of control, often vulgar dissing bothers other races."
This implies that people you find fault with should live according to social standards you believe to be the norm. I should not have to mention that one does not get to set the norm for others. Asian-Americans often find themselves in conflict with blacks because they have skewed perceptions of the race, due in large part to the the media, the perceptions of the majority, personal prejuidice, and sadly, to the behavior of a minority of black people. I feel it is unwise for you to make sure a sweeping generalization. But then, I always feel that way about sweeping generalizations.
"I believe niggers come in many colors. I personally don't use the word, but believe that "nigger" refers to a low standard of behavior, and that it isn't confined to one race. "
I've already responded to this idea. It doesn't really matter what you believe in this case, as it just isn't so. This isn't my opinion, this is historically a fact. A nigger is indeed a black person. Doctor, lawyer, chef, it doesn't matter, the majority of white people at that time believed that any black person, no matter the content of their character, was of a lower class or lesser race.
"And, finally, as long as ghetto Blacks continue to call each other "nigga" which they will tell you they have the right to do, then that word and it's forms will not disappear from the lexicon."
Why should it? It history, should we remove all the unsavoury bits of history so that we shouldn't remember them later? I don't agree with the use of the word "nigger" with or without the "er" at the end. However, I also don't agree that it should never be mentioned again. If it isn't then every one will start to believe that a "nigger" is some one who is unsavory in character and it's usage will become justified by the ignorance/misinformation of the masses.
Lastly, I know you think that you are doing some one a favor with the usage of the term, "ghetto blacks", but you aren't. It's just a generalization and your effort to distinguish one type of "black" from another quite misses the mark.
I'll consider what you have written and see what I can learn from it.
I agree that one can not set the norms for others, and that does work both ways. As to what I believe, I do believe we were trying to diffuse ugliness and hatred, and in the norms of the time it was worth a try and it was helping. There was no doubt as to the origin of the "nigger." The impulse was to change the the meaning and hence the impact, shift the paradigm. Language, as you are pointing out to me, is fluid. I never said "nigger" should not be used again, but I know people who died to stop the abuse created by the use of that word, and I'd like to see it used in a more reverent setting on their behalf.
I think you know what I mean by ghetto behavior. If I have again not kept up with lexical changes, it's my error. I use what my students use. It's difficult to have a dialogue with someone who tells you how you are generalizing. So much easier to come to the table and explain how things have changed.
As to sweeping generalizations about ALL Blacks and ALL Asians, or sweeping majority or minority opinions or outlooks of any kind. I don't think I alluded to such, ever. I never used the words. I find that accusing someone of that is a way of deflecting a discussion.( I'm not informed enough to have an opinion and what I remember and know doesn't matter if I can't use the latest buzz words.)Sadly none of us is ever at exactly the same spot. I was, actually, thinking of my eleven year old student who was cheated by a Korean shop owner and returned to the store in such a rage because he knew he had to, ultimately, return home with the proper change. Upon meeting with her frozen , stoic demeanor, shot and killed her. Two diverse ways of dealing with a problem, and two lives destroyed because of a lack of understanding of cultural behaviors. Two sets of norms frozen. Such understanding gives the opportunity to find a common ground, if you are in a problem solving mode. Best done beforehand.
Anyhow, maybe we can find somewhere in the middle to meet. Hopefully, when something hideous like this happens, something good, some kind of understanding will emerge.
You know, I am married to a black man and I am white. Why is it that it is OK for Black comedians to make fun of white people and call them crackers - honkies and whatever but god forbid we say the N word. Now I saw this video and I thought it was purely gross also. But what about chappelle? or others. Why is there always a double standard - Someone please explain this to me.
Please read the posts above as several people have answered your question as well as pointed out how flawed the reasoning behind it is. Especially, since very few black comedians actually call white people crackers or honkeys- at least not since the 1970's.
The double standard you are talking about is one that is percieved by people who want to believe that it is ok to wallow in their own ignorance. I sure hope your husband is more open minded than you are.
Actually I am the one offended by the usage of the slangs that people use. My husband is the one that brings up the double standards among comedians. He agrees with what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Julie, would you please shut up. This does not concern you, first of all. Richards is not a white man. Jews Are not white. We are not even classified as Aryan. Indians are. Arabs are. And for some reason, even hispanics. But not Jews. Shows what you( whites) think of us. Why can't you call me a nigger? Who says you can't? No one is putting a gun to your head( yet ). But you will get a response, I assure you.
You sure are an ignorant white woman. What is your IQ, like, 50?
What the hell does Dave Chappelle have to do with this? Did he ever go out on to the stage and say to his hecklers " Hey white boy, got a damn problem, honkey?" And was he ever anywhere near as violent as Richards? What Chappelle did was meant to be comical, and it was, no matter what race he talked about, ( mostly blacks ) Richards applied no comedy. Only humiliation.
Why do blacks still make of whites? Could it be because of the way you all treated us for years, like say, 400 of them???
I know. You had no personal involvement, which kind of makes this all silly, really( that totally rhymed, I kick ass ).
You also stated that you are married to a black man ( He must be pretty sorry if he couldn't get a beautiful sister...or maybe he is LACKING in some departments, particularly downstairs. ) WHO CARES? KNOCK YOURSELF OUT! Take on every Black man in the world. It still does give you a PHd about me and my race. You can have black kids, and still not know what some other black guy thinks. You remind me of one of the ladies who lived down the street, and she was married to some ol' grizzly looking bastard( that was not a joke, that was how he really looked. Seriously ) had some ugly kids, and she is jealous of me because I look like a white man and her kids are dark as fuck. Who cares how dark your skin is??? They hate me for that? Hell, I love beautiful dark sisters. I only date, beautiful dark sisters. And I don't care if my kids come out white, black, red or purple. What does this have to do with Richards blasting an African American? Nothing! It doesn't even make any sense! I am just talking out of my ass! The point is, everybody on this thread is going way off topic, I don't give a damn how old some negro is, or who some silly ( white ) woman got with a big ugly negro, when this does not concern you. You are white. Richards and myself are Jewish. Wait until some guy like Carrot Top makes an ass out of his self, then you can speak with authority and experience. Molly is Jewish. I am Jewish. We will take it frim here, so thank you.
Based on my Google research. Richards is not Jewish. I know this a tagential issue but I figured I would clarify. Plus, as a jew, I certainly don't want him to be on my team after his hateful tirade.
He sure looks Jewish, Dan Shapiro. Name's Shapiro, huh? You must be one of those ultra- orthodox, portugese Jews. What team would you be refering to? I didn't get the sign up sheet. Do you have one? What the hell happened to my post above? Words are missing.
Oh, well here are the amendments:
1. Why do blacks still make FUN of whites?
2. It still does NOT give you a PHd about me and my race.
3. FROM, instead of frim.
Hop-Hop, thats funny. I have never listened to Hop-Hop, or Hip-Hop.
MICHAEL RICHARDS IS MY NEW HERO!!!!!!!!
contrary to popular belief, Michael Richards is not jewish
Angry= King Kang, on Myspace.
Dig this: these bodies are costumes that we slip into at the moment of conception. At the time of death we, as spirit-soul (which we all are ), simply exit the costume - or body, if you like - that's no longer habitable and, according to our deeds, we're awarded another body and life circumstances - either better or worse. In truth, no one's black, white, Hispanic, Asian, mixed, or whatever else. So why get offended if someone dis's your costume? We've just gotten so caught up in these roles that we've forgotten that's all they are. One guy thinks he's a member of Group-A, another guy thinks he's a member of Group-B and yatta-datta-datta; and the politicians and arms manufacturers have a field-day with it! Our ignorance simply fattens their already-overflowing coffers. In this lifetime, as an example, I'm of Slavic (mostly Polish) extraction . . . and whoever the hell else is running around in our family tree. So if someone calls me a dumb Polack, I could opt to punch the person out, I suppose. Or I could 'go outside of the box' and think in this way: "Well, in this life I have a vested interest in being Polish, and I want to protect that. And if I haven't grown spiritually, it probably follows that, in a prior lifetime (perhaps on another planet . . . who knows?), I had a vested interest in being protective and sensitive about being another ethnicity. With what lifeteime, then, am I gonna be especially concerned? Let's start thinking out of the proverbial box, folks; and that includes me as well: an evolved being o' light I ain't, just a harbinger of information that was given to me. If enough of us could shed these roles that we take so seriously and begin to realize who we really are - and I don't mean God: that position is already filled, not by any one of us, nor by the collective of us - we would start to indeed see a new and happier Earth coming into view.
Roger "Raj" Leonard- Did I forget to mention that I am also Polish? I am also Polish. I am actually every race.
Your rant would be very interesting if not for one paradox found within: Does God exist? That is a topic, however, for another thread.
Interestin you use th middle name "Raj", this suggests that you must have some affiliation with the islaamic ways. "Raj" is a word that means "rule", in Arabic.
Where are my manners? You said Hi, Roger "Raj" Leonard. Sooooooooo, grrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeetings and salutations to you!
"The impulse was to change the the meaning and hence the impact, shift the paradigm. Language, as you are pointing out to me, is fluid. I never said "nigger" should not be used again, but I know people who died to stop the abuse created by the use of that word, and I'd like to see it used in a more reverent setting on their behalf."
The most reverent setting would be for it never to be called something it wasn't. To redefine the word justifies it's usage. When children learn about it years from now and they believe that it just means "ignorant" or "lowly" or "obnoxious" what will their perceptions of the Civil Rights movement be? To change the meaning of the word now makes it okay that for years many black must have thought their name was "Nigger" the way people called them. Also, think of the damage that this new belief does to black youth. "nigger" goes from being a word people came up with to hurt all black people, to a word reserved for lowly black people, to a word reserved for ingeneral ingrates. They won't see the transition, just that all of those people must have done something to be thought of as "niggers" and not just been born black.
Think about why your students would use the term "ghetto" to describe abrasive behavior? Imagine how that affects them? Now, I've actually lived in a "ghetto", I've actually known the children who you would describe as "ghetto", as far as I know they have never shot any one. "ghetto" has come to mean anything that is subpar, and those poor "ghetto" people. What must that make them think about themselves? Man, the things we do to the people we should love.
"It's part of what causes the problems with Asians (Korean store owners etc.) who simply do not know how to respond to such freaking loud behavior. "
That statement contains generalizations that you may not be aware of. The first is that all Asian and blacks in urban settings find themselves in conflict because the blacks are loud. The second is that Asians in these situations are not at fault. In your next post you clarified your statement with an example. I am obviously not trying to thwart your attempts at discussion or else I would have never bothered to address your post in the first place. I don't believe "generalizations" is a buzz word, and I as teacher you should be perfectly capable of using it, and avoiding them. However, some time people don't realize that they are making generalizations...or that people will percieve what they said as a generalization. *shrug*
I agree that cultural understanding is important to racial harmony. However, that is not what your post implied initially which is why I addressed it. You deigned the behavior you'd experienced of "ghetto" blacks as abnormal. What does that help? Many white people have that same perception, "if I do not do it, then it is an abnormality". I do not mean all white people of course, how ever I have been involved in a multitude of private and public discussions were this issue was raised.
I don't think that it's hard for people to meet in the middle. I'll let you be you, if you let me be me. I'm talking to you specifically, just in general. Celebrate the similarities, celebrate the differences. I've never been interested in a single world culture, however I am a permanent fan of a global community.
And Julie there is a gross difference between the word "cracker" and the word "nigger". I think as an adult you should be able to discern them for yourself, or at least by reading the other post above yours. "Cracker" was indeed a culture, aminority of white people were actually "crackers" and the had a celebration and they had a festival. That is where the term "cracker" is derived from. When a black person calls a white person "cracker" the intent is to hurt, but I'm not quite sure how. What are they say, they you're country, perhaps. That could be offensive...
Anyhoo, the word "nigger" is derived from "Niger" in Africa. The word eventually became to encompass all black people. Really, it was as if "nigger" was another species aside from human, a sub-human species of course. Lower class, unworthy, undeserving, stupid, I could carry on.
So, do you get it now?
And as for your husband believing what's "good for the goose is good for the gander", does he go around fighting other social injustices. Tell him he should worry more that 33% of black men are in prison and less about the fact that white comedians aren't allowed to make black jokes.
Chasitym is right, honky has for the most part fallen out of usage. And think about the time period those comedians were using that word in? *ahem* The 70's. There's a whole article on wikipedia that would totally help you out.
I hate when people tell me that their boyfriend/best friend/sister-in-law is black. It's as if they use it instead of, "I'm about to say something that you should take offense to but just know I love black people".
I think it's interesting that so many white people have made this an opportunity to feel vicitimized. Not the majority, but alot. "But they called him a cracker! And a whiteboy!" Excuse me, but what is a "whiteboy" is comparison to "nigger"? And how many times did those young men let him call them niggers before they retaliated? As far as I know no black comedian has ever started to personally attack a white member of the audience with racial slurs. Correct me if I'm wrong.
This should be an event where every one says, case closed, Richards was wrong. But instead people are using it as an opportunity to pick and choose sides.
Quit picking on Mel Gibson. He didn't say anything racist. He said the jews are responsible for most recent wars. And they have been! (Go to JewWatch.com, and you'll see communism which was founded by Karl Marx (a jew) has led to innumerable wars and the deaths of over 100 million people world wide. In Russia alone, led mostly by jewish revolutionarys (not the Russian people) over twenty to fifty million people, mostly Christians, where murdered tortured raped etc. Way before there was a jewish holocost by Hitler, there was a Christian holocost by the Jews.) Not to mention their latest envolvement in the middle east butchery of the Lebonesse. Now we got a Jew acting like he's a white man calling a black man nigger. Why? It reminds of an incident that happened in Californa recently. Out of the blue, billboards started appearing with signs that said California belongs to Mexico. It Angered Mexicans and Americans alike. When the signs where traced back to their source. It turned out a vice president in charge of a radio station was behind them. And when people became aware that this person was a Jew the signs disappeared overnight. So I agree with some of the people above. The Jews are probably up to their old tricks. Divide and conquer. Get the white man fighting the black man, while the Jew diverts attention from his near monoploy on the American Media along with his strangle hold on Bushes cabinant and Middle East policy, and Americas Banking through the Federal Reserve...need I go on....and to think these people only represent 3 percent of our population! And there's only thirty six million world wide (in contrast to over 1 billion Christians and another billion Muslems) yet look at all the wars and trouble they have caused. (There even responsible for the cold war or arms race as Juilius Rosenburg who gave are atomic secrets to the communist was--- need I say it??? JEWISH!!!!!)
Never watched seinfield and i won't be at all now. His career is over! It makes me happy :]. The N word should never ever be used the way he used it. Its offensive and ugly.
Hey, Gumbo..FUCK MEL GIBSON! He can suck on my big fat Matza balls, excuse my french. Now, this mess you say about Karl Marx, Karl Marx was a member of the grand orient, a school for the members of the "Illuminati", which was a EUROPEAN secret organization overthrown for a short while by the French Government. Many of its members claim to be Jewish, and are not. As for the recent wars in Russia, ( Rusky ) I don't recall Joseph Stalin being Jewish. He was an Illuminst, however.
As for JewWatch.com, that is sad that a small group of unsuccessful people will accredit one race for all their problems.
As for you saying that we caused some sort of Holocaust towards Christians, before World War II, well, we have been in many holocausts. The idea Hitler got to concentrate Jews in prison came from about 400 years earlier, and was first executed by the Russians.
Don't act like we do you gentiles so bad, if you didn't notice, Jesus ( Yeshua ) is Jewish/ Ethiopian. Always has been, always will be. I guess you will blame us for killing him next, even though it was a Roman who plunged a spear through his heart.
Then you also go on to blame us about Lebanon. Yeah, thats all our fault. Your right. Even though Americans voted in a non-Jewish President, ( George W. Bush ) who went to war with Iraq, and incited about 400 million Arabs. You talk about how we have killed so many...how many Arabs have died in Operation Dessert Storm alone? Did we do that? No. It was America. How about the current war? How many have died? How many will die?
As for this mess about that KFI 640 deal, owning the rights to the Telemundo channel, and putting up that sign, well...it was not Jews who allowed the Mexicano's to come into this country illegally. Guess who did that? It wasn't blacks. And the Jew who owned that station was "Portugese", of course he is going to let them put up that sign. Hell, I know the guy. He is an asshole.
"The Jews are up to their old tricks again..." Funny. I don't remember Hitler being Jewish. I don't remember the Rockefellers who financed him being Jewish. I don't remember General Tojo being Jewish( Was anyone in the orient? ). What trick? If someone acts like an asshole, it is our fault? Your an asshole, it has nothing to do with me.
As for our numbers..there are many more of us than you think. Think higher. much higher. No, I am not going to tell you the number. Just know this, wherever their is an economy, we have already interbreeded with the natives and are working the stock market, have taken on a local name, and look like the native people.
That other stuff you said, I will not even reply to. You have no facts or evidence to support it.
There are a few other things, however...I would lke you to know. The blog owner of this site is Jewish. Marion Robert Morrison ( John Wayne ) was Jewish. Albert Einstein was Jewish. Bill Gates has Jewish roots, so you can thank him for allowing you this internet so you could express your opinion. Guess what? Thomas Alva Edison, Jewish roots. When it comes down to it, of course, people in every race are good and evil. And the yes, Michael Richards is an Illuminati member, so I agree, there is a plot to cause strife. That is why I have decided to reveal that Richards was Jewish, and not white, because I do not want this to get blown out of proportion.
It is sad that you would use this time of strife to spread more hate against me and my race. What have I done to you? I am not every mean ass Jew you met. Chances are, you never met one, either. Hate a man for who he is, hate the conspirators, not me. I hate the Masons and the Illuminati. I do my best to expose them or eliminate their members. I don't care what the members are. True, Solomon founded the Masons. But he was also an Ethiopian, and his father David, was a corrupt king. And Jesus comes from their bloodline, so you just have to take the good with the bad. Jesus was a mason.
Oh, and Gumbo? What you said about Jews giving the Axis powers the "secrets" to develop nuclear weapons, well...if J. Robert Oppenheimer ( a Jew ) had not invested his scientifical studies of Thermo-Nuclear-Electro-magnetics, and supervised the entire "Manhattan Project", then it is very possible that the war may have taken years longer, and that the Axis powers would have beaten us to developing weapons of mass destruction.
And if we had not dropped a bomb on Hiroshima, and Nagasaki Japan, at May 7 1945, ( my sources say ) then it is very likely that many Americans would have been killed in frivolous combat, trying to enter the island of Neppal ( Japan ).
(I got disconnected, so I hope this post isn't redundant)
That's right, folks . . . rage on.
Guess the 60's are over.
Yikes! Was my post a rant? I sure didn't mean for it to sound that way: The point that I was trying to make is that we're so imprisoned by our fear of being politically-incorrect that we've in a sense created a trap in which we catch ourselves! I think that if we as human beings could get past that, then we could focus on the thing that is important: making this planet a little bit nicer than it presently is. Also, I didn't mean to come across as a conspiracy-nut with my remarks about the government, but it is my observation that these guys tend to translate our ignorance into dollars. Is that far-fetched? You decide.
re: my nickname (Raj) . . . a bit o' history here: in THE 60's I, like many Americans that were "20-something", became interested in eastern philosophy/religion. So my friends affectionately-dubbed me with the nickname "Rajneesh", and it eventually became shortened to just Raj. As far as God existing or not . . . that's a debate that could go on and on ad infinitum. My only comment is that I respect every person's right to seek the truth.
Hey, enough about me. The subject is Kramer. What can I tell you? When you're a celebrity, everytime you sneeze someone's gonna pick up on it. That's the price of fame.
Hey Christopher Longaway watch your language! And I agree with you that there have been many good Jews. But just as there are Moslem fundamentalist who are wacked, just as there are White power nuts, Nazi's etc. there are Jewish supremist. Who believe it is there destiny according to their interpretation of Scripture or the Talmud, to conquer the world and make everyone non jewish person their slave. They consider non jews as inferiors. In fact they refer to them as closer to animales because unlike them they don't have God's DNA. It is these racist Jews who get literally away with murder because everyone is watching the skinheads, the muslem fundamentalist and nobody is keeping an eye on this Jewish group of racists that are creating so much havoc. And these people in many cases are powerful. Media heads like the Vice President of that Radio station I mentioned above are abusing there power too push this Jewish supremist agenda. Bush's cabinent is filled with such Jews in high level positions. And they vigoriously pushed for the Iraq War for many years before Bush even took office. This war is costing the American Tax payers billions and is only making Israel not America safer. We are now hated all over the world because of how these extremist Jews dominate are foreign policy. (And the overt butchery of the civilian population of Lebonon.) And they're powerful. It is no accident that they control are media (or the media of England Australia etc.) Or that they make up a substantial amount of are Lawyers Judges etc. And pass laws that favor their plans to control America---its banking, courts, media etc. They are out to get us just as much as any moslem extremeist. And the only reason we know about them is because some honest loyal Jewish Americans have told us about them. Yet they are few and far between. Most Jews when you point out these Jewish extremist activities, cry Anti-Sematic, or remain silent. Which leads me to believe they either agree with them or they don't care about America one way or the other. Just whats good for Isreal or the Jews. And Russia by the way was taken over by these people. Winston Churchel whos Mother was an American Jew. Said Russia was taken over not by the Russian people but by Jewish conspirators. It was in his words a Jewish Conspiracy. Lenin recived some thirty million from a New York Banker to go organize all the radical revolutionarys into one group. Which he did. Of the 500 founding memebers the Bolshivick party, 450 where Jews. And most of the remaining if I remember right where non ethinic Russians. Yes clever Stalin did wrest control of Russia back from these Jews (Remember Trotsky, a jew, was suppose to succeed Lenin.) But if I remember right Stalin's wife was Jewish, and the head of his secret police Beria was Jewish. (As where most of his top party posts) And its my understanding Beria's the one that came up with the figure of six million jews where gased by the Nazi's. Now how reliable is this figure coming from the head of the KGB? Especially when he himself was a jew. And a particurarly nasty one. He use to drive alone and when he saw a good looing women have his driver stop pick her up, then take her back to his place there he would rape her then murder her to cover his tracks. (By the way most of these women were Christian Gentile's) Yes Stalin unlike Lenin was non Jewish. That didn't stop him from using them. The Jews are in every European country and he used them extensively to spy for the communist. The Red October orchestra was made mainly up of Jews. Just as Julies Rusenburg, a jew, was spying for him in America.
Yes your right Stalin wasn't a jew but these jews know how to use him, just as they loan money to rich people and ask for favors back, like the Kennedy's etc. But I'm glad to see you openly denouched that Vice President of that Radio Station even though he was a fellow Jew. It gives me hope that there are still many loyal American Jews out there that can help remove this Jewish supremist menance to America.
Roger "Raj" Leonard, Hello.
No, it is not far-fetched that entertainers make a profit from our ignorance. Why not? As for
Richards, his comments would not be taken so seriously if he were not an entertainer. I never really was angry at him for saying it.
It is kind of sad that people think that they can talk about the Polish, and pass it on as a joke that isn't racially motivated. It has sort of just become accustomed, for Polish. The jokes aren't funny either.
As for God...I am a Kabbalist, so, my views about the "Entity" man calls God, are to radical to even discuss, logically. Hey, the Freemasons believe God is a woman. I am not going to argue with them, I have never seen him( her? ).
Interesting story about your nickname, by the way.
If there are any other comments you would like to add, here is my E-mail address : Johnathanreis@yahoo.com
And no, my name is not Johnathan Reis, it really is Christopher Longaway. Don't let the E-mail address fool you. Christopher Longaway was already taken. By my cousin. He was( is ) messing with me.
Mr. Gumbo, I totally agree with post #41. You showed the facts, I cannot argue. As for this secret organization of Jews you refer to, ( The Cabal ) well, there are two types. Some serve Yahweh ( Jehova, probably who you worship ) and others worship Asherah ( the consort of Yahweh, she appears in the King James bible at least 40 times, bet you didn't know God had a wife! ) . I could explain the difference, but I don't think you are prepared to read that long of a rant, or am I to write it. Check the Yahoo search engine, and type in Asherah. That will be a good start for you.
As for the corrupt Jews, don't worry, I am on it. My Dad works in the NSA, not to mention the rest of my Aunts and uncles and cousins.
Maybe that will help you sleep better at night.
You can E-mail me at the same E-mail address I gave out on post #42. In case you do not feel like reading it, here it is again: Johnathanreis@yahoo.com
Anybody with speculations about Jews can contact me, and I will explain any misconceptions you may have.
Is the laugh factory owned by a jew?
Why did semites David Letterman and Jerry Seinfeld come to the rescue to save Richards?
If you are guilty of a crime do you lose your jewishness (semite) and become white?
Anti-semetic not anti-white?
Is Fastow at Enron jewish?
Is Abramoff a jew who stole from Native Americans?
Why did LA jewish times sneak in there footnote about Michael Richards at wikipedia? And the profile is locked? Jews updated it Nov. 21 2006?
Is something going on to make this guy white? If he does a crime can you be jewish? semite?
Robert, here are the answers to your questions: 1.The Laugh Factory is owned by Jammie Masada( Hispanic ). You may remember him from the Michael Jackson child molestation case. He had introduced the accuser to Michael( makes you think about his character, huh? ).
2. Because Richards is partially Jewish himself, as you have probably speculated with your question in the first place. And anyway, even if not, season seven of Seinfeld is coming out on DVD next month, and Mr. Seinfeld invited Richards to the show to give his side of the story. Probably so that they won't lose out on sales ( like anyone was going to buy it anyway ).
3. To begin with, you have to ask yourself what is a Semite? A semite is the particular genotype that is Jewish, but has a caucasian phenotype( blonde and blue eyes). To give you an example of a semite, Tom Cruise, and Alec Baldwin. These particular Jews were usually assoiated with the tribe of "Judah", or the lion tribe ( the lion is their symbol ) or the leader of all tribes. There are 12 tribes in all( some say there was a 13th ). So, they are in a sense, white, or Aryan. Jews are not classified as Aryan, as I have stated earlier.
Now, to answer your question...if a Rabbit teaches that *sin turns a jew white*, then this is not a follower of Yahweh, and he is racist. How could ever loose who you are. I have never heard that.
4."Anti-semite, not Anti-white?"
Clarify that one for me.
5. Fastow is partially Jewish.
6. Abramoff is. Stole from Native Americans? I am not going to deliberate on that, because you didn't ask but...
7. I think you know what is going on. Two words: Cover up. I happende to look at the file firsthand. Too bad I didn't save it, so I could send it out to everyone. Who cares if he is Jewish? Unless it is some kind of conspiracy involving other Jews, which it most likely is.
8. People of all races do crimes. You know that. Of course Jews do. And some people who say they are Jewish, are in fact, not.
Any other questions? I am Jewish, and I know a whoooole lot of others.
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