He definitely rebuffed his handshake. I was wondering why the shake with Cindy looked so awkward, but I couldn't figure it out. Now I know!

it looks deliberate, but done in a way that he could say "I was just introducing my wife!"

IMO, he wanted to snub Obama, but not LOOK like he was snubbing him.

Childish, immature, just plain wrong and lacking respect, but racist?

I think it's a temptest in a teapot. Or a storm in a teacup.

McCain clearly went over to greet Obama.

(Maybe his arthritis is acting up in that hand.
That can be painful.)

I choose to give John McCain a break on this one.

I've watched it a few times and can't figure it out. I was certain it was a rebuff but it could also be him trying to introduce Cindy and then feeling like a jerk after he realizes the rebuff - he sort of laughs and shrugs. This is also the first time I have given McCain the benefit of the doubt.

Did he shake anyone elses hand? If he did he's a dickhead.

Not a McCain supporter, but i don't think that it was deliberate. It looks like he acknowledged that after Obama shook Cindy McCain's hand, that he missed the hand shake that Obama extended to him.

He also tapped Obama on the back to acknowledge that he was behind him. Until that point, Obama was facing the crowd and not paying attention. If McCain wanted to be a dick, why not just ignore him all together?

Wow. I'm really glad that this election is about who can best lead our country and get it out of the mess it's in… rather than a fucking kindergarten spat over who can tell the best Yo Mamma jokes. This is an embarassment. I hate them both.

If it's deliberate, McCain is WAY sneakier than I give him credit for. That was slick as hell.

I have seen people do this though, when they don't want to talk to someone or shake their hand and just pass it off on 'the wife' to deal with. But I won't say for sure he's doing that.

i dont see it. it really looked like an honest mistake. i agree, why tap the back if you were going to be that way? To me it looked like he wasn't paying attention, realized, tried to make up for it and the two went their separate ways. it was awkward but that shit happens… like when you try and pass someone in a hall and you both keep going to the same side.

i wish i could agree.. i hate that guy.

I thought I saw him rebuff it to but couldn't be sure. Awkward.

it doesn't look like a rebuff to me.

what i want to talk about is obama's plan to name jimmy buffett as the next secretary of the treasury.

for jihadists, it's virgins in paradise.

for buffettists it's…. cheeseburgers.

tip your waitresses.

He patted him on the shoulder. I think it was just a gaffe. No big.

ba dum chh

Ok, on to serious business. I have a friend who always comes up with the most ridiculous Christmas cards. She was an art major, go figure. Anyway, I need to top her, and I'm not very creative so I need your ideas. Hags, GO!

Not a rebuff. He walked over, tapped him on the shoulder, all with the intent of introducing him to his wife. He got confused when Obama put his hand out to him and passed him off to his wife. Just one of those confusing situations.

Kate, finally someone has admitted to it. I hate them both as well. In a country with as many people as we have, I find it hard to believe that these two are the best we have to offer. I think on election day all Americans should refuse to vote until they offer us something better. Only problem with that is we would be stuck with Bozo the Bush in office!

Moe–I read that as "I think on election day all Americans should refuse to vote until they offer us some beer"

And I thought, here's an idea I can get behind. But still, Obama is definitely better.

first of all, obama and cindy have already met before. she was perfectly polite and cordial and shook his hand at the last debate.

second of all, i don't think it was racist, but i do think mccain is a 72 yr old spoiled brat who got testier as the debate wore on.

if you look early in the video, he cuts right in front of michelle without a glance.

then he does pat obama on the back but totally dissed his handshake.

mccain doesn't play well with others in the sandbox. but he wants to be leader of the free world.

Obama: Gimmie five, up high, down low, too slow

McCain: lol ur not my friend

Mccain put his hand back out after Obama shook Cindy's hand. Obama had already turned around though. We know you don't like Mccain, but really

Chelsea, I agree. Obama is the better choice. We have been embarassed enough for the last eight years. Time to move on.

Meh. I don't think it was deliberate. He tapped Obama on the back to get his attention and then it looks like after Obama shook Cindy's hand, McCain kind of laughed and mimed shaking hands, and Obama laughed too. Honest mistake.

Okay MG, I've defended Palin once and now McCain has used up his free pass….no more!!

Or maybe in all the hype of the debate McCain didnt see his hand??? It seems like if McCain/Palin make a mistake it's a media/left wing circus. If Obama/Biden mess up and media brings anything up it's simply conservative/right wing attacks on the party.

The look on his face afterward seems to acknowledge his mistake. A real gentleman would of realized this and tapped Obama on the back of the shoulder to ACTUALLY shake his hand, but that's just me.

Ok, my boss told me something about McCain not being able to raise his arms because of some injury? I've never heard that shit before, but maybe it's possible that had something to do with it? Surely he's shook hands with others before…

Kate and Moe I am not a fan of either of them as well. I was a McCain supporter but Palin is just insufferable.

I am seriously considering not voting but then I lose my right to bitch and moan about whoever wins, for the next four years.

Maybe Clooney could be a write-in?

it was a snub. cmon. jesus, we really gotta come up with 101 reasons why it wasn't what we saw? gimme a fuckin break….

Screw the handshake crap, did Whitney get to make some bad decisions and play just the tip with Phelps or what?????????????????????????

Kmoney..Im willing to bet you are Obama supporter.

Kmoney..Im willing to bet you are a Obama supporter.

Matt, I am willing to bet that you passed the first grade

I thought what QC thought - I wonder if his hand is hurting. I don't know what happened to him at the Hanoi Hilton, but I do know it left him unable to lift up his arms and with major hand damage.

Matt - put a sock in it. Stop trying to generalize the particular, especially when most commenters here do NOT think it was deliberate.

Matt, are you implying that he didn't see Obama's hand because he's too old and his eye sight is that bad??

Thank you, Kmoney! Excuses irritate me. John McCain can't even hide his hostility for 90 minutes; I shudder to think of him dealing with world leaders who, let's face it, are people just like us who get offended when someone comes off as condescending and self-important. John McCain could just end up putting the final nail in the coffin for our great country.

and Matt, I'd be willing to bet you're a McCain supporter.

on both counts, so f-ing what?

Im not implying anything…I wasnt there. This is just like the video where Bill went to kiss Hillary after her speech and she turned her head away and kissed Obama. Was it deliberate? I dont think so…There was alot of excitement going on, clapping etc. etc. it was a common error and people are trying to turn it into a McCain hate fest.

say what? - Actually Im undecided at the moment, but Im leaning towards McCain/Palin strictly because of the left wing antics during this campaign. Obama has made this campaing a literal boxing match. Now because McCain said "That one" the lefts are screaming racism! What's next?

Yeah wheres the Phelps romance novel I was looking forward to reading?

As for McCain, he was just being ditzy and didn't see the handshake coming in time, and wasn't an asshole about it, he was a goofball about it.

honestly, it does NOT look like a diss. he looked like he was introducing his wife and then accidently missed Obama's handshake.

Matt, you're a moron. You apparently haven't been paying attention to the news about McPalin rallies where supporters have called for DEATH THREATS to Obama and assaulted a black camera-man!

Matt, did you even watch the debate last night? It became very clear that McCain has turned this whole election into a boxing match. He barely talked issues. He was too busy talking about Obama's plans (and mostly getting them wrong) and his past. McCain used the debate last night like a campaign rally. He's really wasted the last two debates (both wasted the first one, I think). He better do well next week. Even O'Reilly said last night he thinks McCain is done.

"Obama has made this campaing a literal boxing match. Now because McCain said "That one" the lefts are screaming racism! What's next?"

Um, the McCain camp insinuating that Obama's a kiddie toucher by promoting comprehensive sex ed, leaves babies to die on hospital room floors, "pals" around with terrorists, is un-American for not wearing a fucking flag pin, doesn't have enough experience because he wasn't governor of Alaska…where do you want me to stop?

oh gawd. first of all, they shook hands right after the debate ended, and while it looks like mccain rebuffed obama, it was he who tapped obama's shoulder to get his attention to begin with. sure mccain could have been polite and shaken his hand again, but it's possible that he was a little (if not a lot) aware that he hadn't done as well as he knew he needed to. listen, i'm an obama girl all the way, but this reading into things carp really needs to stop overshadowing the bigger issues. obama got the W. big ups to that an fuck the rest. "that One" is gonna win. woot woot!

again, so f-ing what?

you came off as accusing someone of being in Obama's camp after his/her post. and I'm just pointing out that, based on YOUR post(s), one could assume that you're in the McCain camp.

oh, and "leaning toward McCain"? Don't insult me. It's pretty clear who you're going to vote for. And your slur of "the lefts" leaves NO doubt in my mind.

regardless of how McCain meant "that one", it was disrespectful. He could have said "my colleague", or "the senator" or "senator obama". his disdain for Obama was evident. even if you omit handshakegate.

what "left-wing antics" do you refer to?

"regardless of how McCain meant "that one", it was disrespectful. He could have said "my colleague", or "the senator" or "senator obama". his disdain for Obama was evident. even if you omit handshakegate. "

I agree with so what?. Comes off as very unprofessional, to put it lightly.

Broomstick - Idiot. Just because some of his supporters might have hate for other races, doesnt mean he does.

Stunner - Thats all debates are is oppurtunities for each candidate to make themselves look better than other.

em - You are the reason why dems/liberals consist mostly of uneducated lower class americans. Those are the type of rumors I was talking about. No one EVER used the word kiddie toucher.

"dems/liberals consist mostly of uneducated lower class americans"

Are you fucking KIDDING me with that statement? Every redneck with a fourth-grade education spray painting their fence and eating out of cans will vote for McCain.

say what? I am a registered republican..doesnt mean I will 100% vote McCain. I dont have any dislike for either candidate. Its the people around them that make them look like idiots. Do I want to associate myself with this current crowd of Obama supporters? Allthey do CONSTANTLY look for a fault in the other candidate? Or do I want to associate myself with the McCain supporters who think a gov. with hardly any experience is the best thing since sliced bread?

I dont know…maybe Ill vote for Nader.

Stoney - Look at the facts…lower class (sorry the PT term is Working Class) Americans generally consist of Democrats.

this whole thing has ruined any enjoyment i used to get from the word "camp."

Well now that we have a registered republican here:

Matt, what did you think when McCain mentioned that he would buy the morgages? I really was shocked when he said that, I didn't see that one coming.

Clearing up the mortgate situation in the country is the first step in getting us out of the hole. I dont think the banks are the only ones who should be punished for situation, those who got themselves in this situation should have some punishment as well. After all, most of this resulted in a bunch of idiots buying low and trying to sell high to turn a profit.

matt, if McCain's supporters are saying things like that at a rally, he and his running mate have an obligation to denounce it, or say to those making comments like that "no, now that's not right" or SOMETHING to indicate that they don't agree with those sentiments.

the fact the neither he nor Palin HAS spoken against those spewing the hate speaks volumes about how they really feel.

what you said to stunner is true; but McCain didn't make himself look like the more attractive candidate. all he did was say negative things about Obama. he made himself look like he has nothing good to say about himself so he has to resort to bashing "that one".

and I'm still waiting for your description or explanation of "left wing antics".

Matt - actually more people with higher degrees are democrats. I don't know where you are getting you info from. Ex. MA is a blue state. (Always. Nixon 49, America 1) it also has one of the highest concentrations of colleges, hospitals, and lawyers in the country (per capita there is 1 lawyer for every 400 residents).

Matt - actually more people with higher degrees are democrats. I don't know where you are getting you info from. Your ass maybe?

Ex. MA is a blue state. (Always. Nixon 49, America 1) it also has *one* of the highest concentrations of colleges, hospitals, and lawyers in the country (per capita there is 1 lawyer for every 400 residents).

Matt, I am curious if you can give examples of Obama's peeps CONSTANTLY looking for fault that can't be negated by the exact same constancy in the opposing party.

Matt - agreed, you should make yourself look better than your opponent during the debates. But you should also have another goal that bashing the other guy. He missed his opportunity to talk about his plans. He also came off as arrogant and smug. Even if I didn't like Obama so much, there's no way I'd ever consider voting for McCain.

Also you just intimated that the working class is a bunch of uneducated morons which makes you the biggest douchbag in the room, brava.

Yes the "working" class are mostly dems, but so are most people who hold a higher degree.

Come on, Matt. Even Sherri Shepard knows what a real debate consists of.

On Democrats being more educated than Republicans:

http://www.watchblog.com/democ.....05153.html

http://www.eduinreview.com/blo.....publicans/

I hate them both too and am ashamed that they are the best we can come up with to be the next president. Can you imagine Sarah Palin as President! WHAT A FREAKING NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!

say what? - Ill give you a stupid example of left wing antics. The View, poor Elizabeth says one negative thing about Obama and she gets attacked from every angle while the rest of the ladies put Obama on a pedestal. It makes perfect sense that ABC (big time liberal station) would allow that to happen. "Fair and Balenced" I think not.

At least the View categorizes itself as an entertainment and lifestyle show, unlike Fox News.

"I am a registered republican..doesnt mean I will 100% vote McCain."

I didn't realize we could split up our votes. In 2004, I would have voted 25% Kerry, 75% Johnny Depp.

what "one negative thing" did EH say?

please, elaborate…with specifics.

seems to me that she mostly says completely ridiculous things that are not true, which is why she's bashed so unmercifully.

besides that, I thought we were talking about the respective campaigns' antics, not some annoying women on a stupid daytime TV show.

care to stay on point?

Matt, since when is The View obligated to be fair and balanced?! It's a fucking talk show. They give OPINIONS. Sorry you're so upset over Obama leading in the polls, buddy.

Agreed, Janice. I don't count on getting my daily dose of news from The View. I don't even watch that show because I think all of those women are whiney. Anyway, both sides are guilty of bashing the other during the election season. You have to agree with that, Matt. It just seems as though over the last week or so the McCain campaign has gone full speed ahead with smearing Obama and it's not working. CNN's recent polls said uncommitted voters are sick of hearing nothing but smears from McCain and not enough about the important issues.

I think they're smearing happening on both sides, although the smears from the right are a little more insidious, but that isn't what your vote should be about, Matt.

Look at the issues, look at who you trust as a presidential/vice-presidential team to run the country. And I am referring *directly* to Sarah Palin, because there is a strong possibility that she will become President (and get to choose her VP?)

If you cast your vote based on who is smearing, you might as well throw a dart at the ballot and walk out grinning.

Sorry, *there's

Stoney/Say What? - Thats why I said stupid example.

Blue Canary - Another reason why I consider the people supporting Obama are idiots.

Janice - Fox offers both conservative and liberal views on issues. Ill bring up Hannity and Colmes to back that up.

Stoney - Im sorry, but I seem to remember John Kerry leading in the polls before the election as well. Dont try to come back with useless snub remarks.

To Matt

No. 54 Matt says:

Clearing up the mortgate situation in the country is the first step in getting us out of the hole. I dont think the banks are the only ones who should be punished for situation, those who got themselves in this situation should have some punishment as well. After all, most of this resulted in a bunch of idiots buying low and trying to sell high to turn a profit.

To your argument, do you then agree or disagree that lending institutions have a responsibility to know more about the potential risk of this practice than the poor, unwashed and uneducated democrats do?

Support your argument, good sir.

Janice - Of course my vote will be based on more than just who is slandering who, though I do take in into account. I maybe a hardheaded republican but I try to be fair as possible.

I didn't try. I DID.

'Ron.

Fine, but just like I think Elisabeth Hasselbeck is a poor representative of Republicans, I think Alan Colmes is a pretty poor representative of "liberals".

so, matt, come up with a more concrete one.

YOU made the claim of "left-wing antics", and YOU came up with that example. yeah, it WAS stupid…why not give us a better one?

I'll wait.

Matt, you have got to be kidding. Are you a frequent reader of this site? If not, let me point out how stupid some of McCain's supporters are:

-One guy made a sign that read "Obama - half breed Muslin"
-Another guy who sent his child to school with a homemade shirt saying Obama was a terrorist
-The farm with its fence spray painted reading, "Have you ever seen Rok Hussein Obama saluting the flag?"

And that's only 3 examples. There are many stupid people out there, and each side has supporters who aren't completely intelligent, but saying all of Obama's supporters are idiots makes you a bigger idiot than all of the people I quoted above combined. BOO-YAH!

"I maybe a hardheaded republican but I try to be fair as possible."

OH SHIT!!!!! That was a good one!!!! If only you and favorite crooks in Washington could see the irony in that statement, maybe the country wouldn't be in the state it is today. *sigh*

Killorn - The lending institutions will do what they always do, they look at peoples credit..if the peoples credit is good they will get a loan. There is always going to be a risk, the bank is doing their job, lending money to the people and making money of the interest. In the current situation it just go to be too much too fast, and now we have millions of foreclosures. What should happen in this case? The people who caused this situation should have a notice on their credit report (and they will) and the banks should be taxed heavily after the bailout.

You do understand that it's because of McCain and his fellow Republicans' policies of "every man to himself, let the economy regulate itself, capitalists rule, fuck the little guy (Joe Six Pack and Hockey Mom)" that we are in this mess to begin with, right?

Oh wow Matt, you're defending FOX News. That's cute. You're DEFINITELY voting McCain, because I've seen you here before bashing Obama. Even if you're not fluffing McCain, you're probably one of those Republicans that votes along party lines, so your vote was cast as soon as he was nominated. And maybe I'm overreaching here, but since you're clearly an ass who makes up facts (All Dems are uneducated and working class?), I'm not too bothered by it. As I said to another McCain troll this morning, it'll be interesting to see if you're still around AFTER the election.

You know, we all might be faceless entities on this website, but I hope I don't actually know anyone who acts like some of the blog trollers that hang around here.

Stoney - Unlike you, I dont want the government running every aspect of my life. Beleive it or not, big business is what keeps this country on its feet, so why not look out for then?

Chelsea - Again I didnt say ALL dems, I said the majority of dems are uneducated and lower class (and that is a true statement).

Im not trolling, Im debating with you people. You guys are getting all worked up and Im simply trying to have a political discussion.

"Again I didnt say ALL dems, I said the majority of dems are uneducated and lower class (and that is a true statement)."

can you give us a source for this "true statement"?

So are the majority of Republicans.

The fact is, the "lower" class is larger than the "upper" class.

But Matt, that was not the case with the sub-prime catastrophe. In fact, it was quite the opposite. How can you not know that?

Also, Matt, and everyone else, check this out:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/ele.....l-suggests
This might be the first year where your 'fact' is wrong…

Matt:

My comment was, in fact, pointing out your inarticulate argument that although you are a Republican, you will not "vote 100% for McCain." What you meant, I take it, is that you are not 100% behind McCain.

These are the principles of sentence structure in the English language, my friends. This is why No Child Left Behind doesn't work.

Peaches 'n' cream,
Blue Canary

Matt - see your comment #73. Yes, you DID call Obama supporters idiots. Period, it's right there. And how to do you want us to react when you come here calling the majority of the readers here uneducated, lower-class and idiots? My fiance and I are reg. dems. and we are not low-class, we're educated, and I don't consider myself an idiot (I'm not so sure about him though…haha).

He means black people, say what? Didn't you know?

Matt, I guess you'd rather them control your reproductive rights, huh? And you do understand the growth of the government under Bush was HISTORIC? Big business keeps this country going? Excuse me while I barf. Last time I checked, they were DESTROYING IT. A real conservative, rather than a neo-conservative, would understand that. I guess you're cool as long as your fellow Republicans, the CEOs you confuse yourself with, get spa trips out of the bailout.

You're not having a political discussion though Matt. You came here to stir up trouble by telling lies you've heard from FOX News. People here have given evidence refuting what you've said, and you've either ignored it or said things like "Another reason why I consider the people supporting Obama are idiots". The majority of the people on the boards here are Obama supporters. From all we've learned this election that's only gotten stronger, and your halftruths won't change that. True, you've been more polite than some of the other trolls we've had here but it's all the same in the end.

Obama/Biden '08

Say what? - Look at any voting demographics? Democrats consist of lower class/working class voters, immigrants and minorities. It is also common knowledge that lower class people are less educated than middle/upper class people. Im sorry I dont have the time to go fectch a link for you, and I know your going come back with me not having proof makes my answer bullshit…but whatever.

Actually, this table too (at the bottom, "Party Identification Trends, by Demographic Group") pretty much shows that even in 2004, pre-meltdown-of-the-economy, you're wrong about economic affiliation. Or at least it's contested.

http://chronicle.com/blogs/ele.....l-suggests

Matt, I just sent off two. But they won't help you out.

blue canary, I got your joke…(almost made the same one!)

I guess Matt's sense of humor has declined with McCain's poll numbers.

Sub-prime made it easy for people to get loans who historically wouldn't qualify based on - guess what - their credit history. Not only that, it was touted to exactly appeal to risky loan recipients from a "buy now, deal with it later" standpoint. If a single parent or a low-income couple walks into a bank and is all the sudden able to provide a home for their kids for little more than what they are paying in rent, PLUS the enticement factor of building equity, I would be hard-pressed to know how she or he would question it. The American dream, right?

I believe most of these purchasing decisionswere made in earnest to better the quality of life for their families, not as some plot to fuck over the banks.

Also, you're right Matt. If you went to college you should know that if you can't cite your work, we call it bullshit.

Also, the lower-class aren't necessarily uneducated. That same college crowd just calls them liberal arts majors.

yep, you're right. bullshit.

you make a claim like that, you damn well better back it up.

I HAVE looked at voting demographics, and I don't consider your claim to be "common knowledge".

you have time to write posts, but not back up claims IN your posts with proof?

so, your answer to someone who asks for proof of your claim is "whatever"…BRILLIANT. Maybe Palin should use that in her next interview.

Aw, shit. Wrong link. I guess I am uneducated.

http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=95

New thought–Matt IS Palin! How did we not realize it sooner?

Oh Matt, I didn't want to have to go there, but you made me do it.

Then the majority of Republicans are arrogant, beer drinking, gun happy, back-woods, white trash, incestuous, racist, homophobic whiners.

And where were educated, Matt? Convenient Theories for Me University?

Janic - your link proved my point those making under 20K a year (lower class) heavily favor dems. Thanks for saving me the time. http://people-press.org/commentary/?analysisid=95

Im off work guys…maybe Ill catch you tomorrow on the next politics post.

Why is it that anyone that has a different opinion than the most of you are said to be trolls? I agree with a lot of you on some things and disagree with a lot of you on other things. I have been coming to this site for a long time and just recently started posting, but just a little. I'm afraid of getting blasted most of the time. Just asking. . .

Stoney - Townson University and University of Maryland, I hold a BS in Computer Studies (a mix of computer science and IT management)

matt! You can't go!

I'm STILL waiting on his examples (not stupid ones) of "left-wing antics" that are making you "lean toward McCain".

Christian Brothers University and Vanderbilt. I win!

LOL

WTR, the reason we're getting so upset with Matt is he's trying to stir up trouble. I wasn't going to start on him until he kept egging me on. I've said it many times here, I don't care if you disagree with me politically, just don't call me ignorant or uneducated (or even lower-class) if I don't agree with you.

Matt, "As evidence, Mr. Wolfe points to a new poll by Washington Post/ABC News that found that white people without a college degree favor John McCain, the Republican candidate, by 17 percentage points, while those with a college degree prefer Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate, by 9 percentage points." <— from the first link.

From the second link (from 2004, which doesn't disprove that the educational correlation might be changing in THIS election), the table shows that the percentages of people with college of some type who favour each party is virtually equal.

This election is the first of its kind–a point the first link made. It'll be interesting to see the voter breakdown for this election once the results are in.

I do not think Matt is a troll.

Just an uninformed square.

Speaking as an uneducated dummy obama supporter:

I considered a sub-prime loan. I went in to my bank and discovered that I could buy a condo for a couple hundred dollars more a month at an interest rate that boggled my little pea brain. I did the math, and figured that in a couple of years, I would be further along in my career and/or married, and able to deal with the interest increase. I called my financial advisor (aka "Dad") to run the offer past him for advice. Because he was attune to reality, he educated me on the evils of sub-prime, likening it to leasing a car vs. buying. So today I still rent, but nothing is being taken away from me.

I cite this long-winded boring example because I think my situation was similar to many in my position that took the offer. I make a good income, pay my taxes, and want to further a stake in my future without living outside my means. Without the advice of someone who had my best interests at heart, I would be in the same boat as so many million Americans. To this end, I don't think the blame should be placed on the people who maybe didn't have a "financial advisor" to call.

by the way, I am still waiting on your defense of sub prime.

Matt's MG to do list:

1. Call anyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot. ☑
2. Make insinuations that everyone who doesn't agree is not only an idiot, but also dumb, poor and uneducated. ☑
3. Insinuate you are more intelligent than anyone else on here and do not have the time to be bothered with backing up your talking points with proof, since anyone here would be too dumb to understand it anyway. ☑
4. Defend Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Fox News. ☑
5. Present your opinions as if they are facts. ☑
6. When someone asks you to back up your assertions, change the subject. ☑
7. Pretend that other's jokes are meant as serious statements. ☑

I'm sure there must be an online handbook somewhere.

Your dad sounds hot.

Matt, I think you mean you went to TOWSON, not TOWNSON. Which makes me wonder. I for instance, know that I went to Virginia Tech and I know how to spell it.

Oh Christ Matt, shut the fuck up. I'm a TU graduate and I'm ashamed. You can't even spell our school.

And Cord, if McCain had his bifocal contacts in, Obama's hand prob just looked blurry. I give him a pass on this one, even though I hate the guy more than I hate Matt.

Damn! He spelled his own school wrong?!

Right? So…if you see a SIX LETTER NAME printed on a diploma, I imagine you'd be able to spell it.

So if Matt lives in Maryland, that means his McCain vote will not count. We're a bunch of poor, dumb Democrats around these parts.

FYI–Matt is SO not invited to the Virginia-Maryland MG party.

"Janice - Fox offers both conservative and liberal views on issues. Ill bring up Hannity and Colmes to back that up."

Hmmmm, I guess I missed Colmes' 1 hour special - presented in documentary format - about Obama & Friends. Bringing up one "balanced" opinion show doesn't negate the constant editorializing that goes on during their straight news (non-opinion) news time. Neither does it prove to be balanced based on guest selection.

I am so cornfused, y'all! Are democrats part of the "liberal elite" or the uneducated hoi polloi? I need to know because I am getting some kitchen towels embroidered.

Did I read wrong or did Matt insinuate we should be looking out for big business as in, "Honey, watch out for your brother so nobody beats him up"?

I wouldn't say big business keeps the country on it's feet. The consumers are what do that. When we stop buying shit big business is in trouble.

I do think we should watch out for them. Because big business will pat us on the shoulder with one hand while stabbing us in the back with the other.

Big business only cares about big business and not the uneducated working class people who buy what they offer. But when big business gets in trouble for giving everyone and anyone a loan they cry like a little baby. Come save us, come save us. They probably didn't care much when they were foreclosing on the little people. Thanks Enron for starting a fun trend here. Big business can bite me.

When are you going to stop looking for crap like this and look into the real issues? If he did, Obama handled it gracefully. If he didn't, they both handled it… so stop bringing up this kind of garbage. Questions like the following are more pertinent:

The questions to be asked of the candidates are:

Where is his/her allegiance?

How can we expect the trillion dollar deficit we just took on to be paid by the major reduction in taxes being proposed?

Why did the things that they were involved in not work?

What did they learn from the involvement?

Who are their heros?

They say that a strong leader surrounds themselves with capable staff and support that are able to give expertise in areas of weakness and strengths, who do they align with?

What are they going to do to get rid of the US concentration camps?

What are they going to do to give freedom and privacy back to the American citizens?

Can they sit down with their opponent and work out a bipartisan plan to help the US during this election instead of waiting to see who is going to be voted into office? (If they out and out refuse, then you can say it was a rebuff)

juju, you big dumb. It's not corporate greed at work here, it's the stupidity of the bottom-feeding blue collar parasites that brought us here. Fight the real enemy! Bruce Springsteen!

PS, Reading is for FAGGOTS.

Good questions, Tobea, I especially like 1, 3, 4 and 8.

Furthermore, I think that a rule should be enacted that you have to answer the questions that was asked. With an answer.

Fuck, why wasn't Tobea at the debate last night instead of Ms. "You both got us into this mess, why should we trust you." For real, what a waste of a question!

Also, funny.

nice site, lisa. ;-)

And when you answer the question that was asked you should not be able to mention your opponent's name or what he is planning to do or has done.

100. HEY!!!11one!! I'm a liberal arts major. >:[!

Oh, and…. FIRST!1111!!!!!!!!111111!!

wtr-totally agree with you. That shit annoyed me more than the rest of the annoyances! Do I sound too annoyed?

Your right killorn. I am going to go flagellate myself out back for what I've done to the country. My bad, America. Where's my whip and my scotch?

No. 39 Matt says:

say what? - Actually Im undecided at the moment, but Im leaning towards McCain/Palin strictly because of the left wing antics during this campaign. Obama has made this campaing a literal boxing match. Now because McCain said "That one" the lefts are screaming racism! What's next?

i'll tell you what's next: you learn the difference between "figurative" and "literal."

when you master that come back, and i'll give you your next assignment. warning, the lesson will be about logical fallacies. please come prepared. and by "prepared" i mean "drunk".

DID SOMEBODY SAY SCOTCH!?

LOGICAL FALLACIES! DO IT!!

Dammit now I'm all turned on and I forgot what I was gonna say.

omg, while i was submitting that, i saw stephen colbert do a montage of super old SNL references.

this is the hottest night of my entire life!

I did but I've had too much scotch and am working on a jam out with my clam out. WOOOOOOOOO, 27 DAYS TILL ELECTION TIME, BITCHES!!!!11111

Let the rioting begin. I'll be under the table with the rum. If you touch it I'll cut you.

I can't wait for the election to be over, so I can start loving the people in my life again.

it's wine time - does anyone else think it's weird that you can buy wine in a bladder, and the bladder's inside a box? it's like wine's own little 'ashes to ashes, dust to dust.'

whatever will he have to talk about come November?

Nope - McCain actually went up to Obama first when his back was turned to McCain and warmly put his hand on Obama's arm. That was McCain's "hello" gesture. He most definitely didn't rebuff Obama's handshake. Watch it again, please.

Aww juju, this is just for you: I was emailing back and forth with a co-worker, yadda yadda yadda. Anyway, my next response to her was going to be "Jam out with your clam out?" Yes. As a question. But then the office receptionist emailed me and I got distracted and ended up sending that message to her instead of the intended co-worker. Yes again. I sent "Jam out with your clam out?" with no explanation, no backstory, nothing. And then I died a little inside. You can die of mortification you know.

Anyway, I'll think of that everytime someone jams their clam anywhere.

LRM, I'll watch it again if you read the comments where we covered this by like #20

Don't feel too bad. I sent a drunk email to my sister in law on Sunday. She sent me some stupid political email after I've asked her before to please keep me off her mass emails.

There should be some kind of fail safe against this kind of thing. Like a breathalizer on your laptop. At least your shame won't be brought up at the next family reunion. The worst part is everyone is Mormon so I can't even drink to numb the pain during the weiner roast.

Oh yeah, Obama, McCain, blah, blah. So people don't get huffy about going off topic.

Shia Rebuff.

Sorry, I've been wanting to say that for 5 hours.

Damn.

This was a bad day to be away from the site.

I can't believe "Matt" couldn't correctly spell the name of his alma mater. Win.

I love how someone who thinks that government should totally stay out of his life also feels that the government needs to buy up the bad mortgages (which were totally the fault of stupid people who signed them, he says, and not the fault of predatory lenders who gave them to unqualified buyers). Yes, my friends, Big Business is here to help you!

"…Im sorry I dont have the time to go fectch a link for you, and I know your going come back with me not having proof makes my answer bullshit…but whatever."

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Yeah, like whatever you say is from God's lips to your ears.

Thank you stunner, chelsea, janice, bedbugsandballyhoo (love the checklist), jujubees, STM, sar, stoney, say what?, blue canary, april, BmoreKate, lisa(#1), queencrone, em, manbearpig, and anyone else who I may have overlooked.

I luv ya all, goshdarnit, my friends!

Killorn, you're a true gentleman with passion and fire. You're fantastic.

And Tobea Truthseeker, I hope we're graced with your presence on a frequent basis. You've offered some very welcome and refreshing words. Thank you!

damn, i fuckin come up in here drunk and read all these stoopid comments, and no one's responded to my intelligent ones, well fuck you!

*passes out*

@ jujubees - apparently gmail now has something called "Mail Goggles" or something. You can set up certain times (i.e. your normal drunken hours, like after midnight or at 2 p.m.), and you would be required to answer some questions in order to allow your email to be sent. The theory is, apparently, that if you can't do simple math, you are in no state to send email. Would that help?

yay paper AND poo! It's like christmas!

Stay forever.

PS, I am a chick.

Google should seriously create a "Beer Googles" application. On second thought, I am trademarking that shit.

Successfully trademarked! Google can rip it from my cold, drunk hands.

if they can do google "custom time," beer googles aren't far off:

http://mail.google.com/mail/he.....index.html

@144 - i laughed my big nards off…. oh my god, the sinful things i've done in the name of multitasking.

i did something like juju… my mom loves to send me these forwards that are guilt inducing like "what if we all just blah blah blah" and every time i write her back how inappropriate it is to make people feel that way. this last one was WHAT IF WE TREATED OUR BIBLE LIKE OUR CELL PHONE - like, kept it with us, etc etc.

I rattled off an entire list of reasons I don't treat my Bible like my cell phone - including the fact that my Bible doesn't annoy the shit out of me with constant pleas for my undivided attention and if i forget to bring it with me somewhere my parents don't freak out and call 911, etc. I had fun sending it back to the entire email is it she sent hers out to - and finding out that it was rejected by all addresses except hers, and the family of my fancy pants preacher uncle. hahahaha….

oh God! I spelled Towson wrong! Shit! I must be retarded, god forbid someone make a typo around here or the word police will be all over him.

Now for all you idiots out there that keep saying I called you uneducated and lower class, you are just making yourself look stupid. I claimed that most democrats are uneductated and lower class. Now, I said most not ALL, if you are choosing to lump yourself in that category Im sorry for you. Lower class is considered those making under 20K a year, and if you are making under 20K then shut up and get me my fries. ZING!!!

However, I guess this is what I get for posting on a celebrity blog about politics, I should stick to posting on anncoulter.com, foxnews.com and fark.com where people actually know what they are talking about. Maybe you guys would feel more comfortable talking about Lindsay Lohan?

It would make Obama cry to see his supporters are nothing more than a bunch of celbrity blogger website readers who attack those with a different point of view. Good luck in the race, and for our countries sake I hope McCain wins…I dont want have to wait months to see a doctor because Obama is giving free healthcare to the losers who cant afford it.

Heh. Yeah, it is much better to insult a class of people and then deride those for choosing to include themselves in it. Like those dirty jews! What? I didn't say you, you're one of the good ones. I feel sorry for you, choosing to include yourself in that group. ::rolls eyes::

Note: you started it - you can't then complain about people attacking you when you come in here insulting first. It wasn't your point of view, you're a n00b, so you wouldn't know, we like spirited debate. What we don't like are personal attacks and unsupported assertions. But you will get what you give. Nice websites though, very fair and balanced. HA!

It is good you devolved into attacks based on this being a celebrity blog. You aren't the first around here to to that - usually it happens when someone has no salient points left before they tuck their tails and leave. But, you know, good job making sweeping assumptions again. It really has served you well, no?

(Also, your health care point is, well, ridiculous. I allow for a certain amount of hyperbole, but really.)

Lisa - Is it really that ridiculous? We have Canadians crossing the border for healthcare because universal healthcare sucks.

Let me be more specific I find this: "giving free healthcare to the losers who cant afford it" ridiculous. Also, a little myopic.

well, matt, I wouldn't go so far as to say you're "retarded", but certainly out of your league here.

yeah, you did say "most", but then didn't give us any info to support your claim that you say is "common knowledge". but it's not, so enlighten us with the source of your wisdom.

the fact that you still haven't tells me that you're just repeating what you heard from somewhere else. Be it Fox or some other slanted source, you "heard" it, believed it, and repeated it. but didn't research that "fact" yourself or else you would have some sort of back-up for your claim.

now, IF what you say is true, and that's a BIG "if", perhaps those demographics vote democrat because they realize that democrats do more for someone in their position (that is, offer more educational/job training activities) that would help them to further themselves. You know, to get out of their uneducated/poor lives they lead.

those sites you mentioned…I doubt that anyone on those places knows any more than a poster on here; it's just that they'll agree with you, take what you say as truth (as long as it jibes with THEIR views) and not ask you for proof of your claim. Just up your alley, I think.

so, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

He's actually seen CANADIANS sneaking into the US for healthcare?!?

That's too ridiculous to even bother to refute. Janice, where are you to set this baffoon straight?

*shakes head, rolls eyes*

Normally I'm okay with a civil discussion of politics, ideologies, and social issues.

This is totally not one of those times.

I wish you well, Matt.

Sorry you're so full of rage (your word, if I recall) at those who disagree with you that you consistently choose name-calling to accentuate your views. You are most entitled to your passion and your opinions; it is your right. And I respect your right to it. But your arguments continue to lose credibility with me with every personal attack and insult. I refuse to be one of your targets. I'm not playing that.

Not that it matters much, but I don't agree with every plank on every political platform on either side. There are aspects of John McCain that I admire, and there are traits of Obama that I don't support. But it's useless to attempt an exchange of opinions when verbal spitballs are lobbed over the wall at every turn. And it's clear that you're on an offensive mission. None of us will change your mind, not that I think it's anyone's intent here (though some might try).

Matt, you're certainly not going to change mine. And calling me a name because of that won't help, either. But go ahead if it makes you feel better.

This is a battle I choose not to engage in. I have much better things to do.

Like surf for porn. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…

(p.s., killorn — correction: you're a gentleCHICK.) ;-)

but Matt, wait! I never got my answer! What am I gonna doooooooo

You all. I worked in the Senate for years. All these guys do is grip and grin, i.e.,m shake hands. McCain clearly passed Obama's hand out for a shake off to Cindy. Senators rarely miss a chance to grip as it is an easy, more or less neutral act of greeting. Senators with class don't avoid it unless they want to send a message. Period.