I haven’t seen one of them that couldn’t pass as my Uncle Fred.

If they were what they appear to be, yes. There’s something appealing about feminine modesty.
Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is that these women are psychologically beaten down by their menfolk to the point that they allow their pubescent daughters to be husbanded out to middle-aged men like livestock. It reminds me of the perpetually abused mother who lets her new boyfriend molest her 13 year old daughter so she can keep him at home.

Well said J-Ho. Cord - you’re delusional and need a break from the media.

I didn’t know the pompadour was the standard ‘do for Mormons.

those flds worshipers are a bunch of ignorant, brainwashed, idiotic piece of shit who think very highly on themselves. what a fucking liars!

“Big love” meets “big hair.”

Jbonz, you said it. Admiring these women is an affront to me as a female. They aren’t shunning excess because they’re better than that; they’re doing it because that’s what they’re told to do. And to laud these shells of human beings for following directions, especially when it comes to allowing their daughters to be violated and traded as marital pawn, is really lame.

Jbonz, Lale, I completely agree! Being married at 13 is absolutely disgraceful. Just because their bodies are ready to make babies doesn’t mean that they are mature enough to properly raise a family, and it’s absolutely wrong to rob them of their innocence and childhood.

I have no problem with modesty and polygamy. The abuse, however, looms much larger on my mind.

yea, i’d like to second (third) jbonz on this one. it seems that you are having a bit of a blindspot, Cord, as a man who gets indignant over even the slightest of perceived slights and implied associations.’cute hair’anyone?

Whether it’s floor-length dresses, bare faces, heavy makeup, porno, whatever… they’re all equally symbols of oppression. It’s funny how women’s bodies can be turned into constructions of men’s fetishes.

Tired of Fergie and thongs? You were previously interested in Fergie and thongs?

I like their hair. That’s all I have to say.

ugh…i live in san angelo, tx…the place where the flds women and children have been transported to…strange doesn’t even begin to describe it. as if the town wasn’t bad enough to begin with.

What’s up with the Flock of Seagulls hair? On another not, it looks like you could drop kick them in the face, and they’d still have that vacant, submissive stare on them.

I grew up around people, who although, not Mormon, treated women like cattle. I remember one family, in particular, had 14 kids and the dad used to spank the mom in front of them when something like the washing machine would break. He said that it was because of her sinning that it broke. Needless to say, the boys of that family turned out to be abusive as adults. The oldest boy has a wife that’s only 34, and they now have 10 kids(last I heard). He beats the hell out of her all the time, but they are “missionaries” in Mexico, so he gets away with it. The few times I’ve seen her in recent years, she has that same look on her face as these women. Hell, pretty much the same dress too. What people try to do in the name of God makes me ill.

The hair is reminiscient of early Seinfeld Elaine. They must have the DVD boxed set tucked away somewhere…sneak in an episode when the men are busy elsewhere. Imagine that? Surpressed by Bible wielding pedophiles, yet fashionably freed by Elaine Benes.

I suspect many of these lot would be blackeyed trailer wives otherwise. Let ‘em stay.

Cord, if this is sincere, it’s the sweetest, most utterly charming thing you’ve ever written.

Everybody has it out for these people. I don’t agree with their practices or beliefs, but I’m pretty sure it’s all some of them have ever known, and they must be terrified. Even if you think these women were abused and oppressed by their religion, now the legal system has dragged them out into a strange, alien world and separated them from their children. And this whole time the media, even holier-than-thou Fox News, has been calling them some absolutely horrible things. Life in a cult may be awful, but I’m a little ashamed of the rest of America at the same time.

My heart goes out to these women, who are missing their children. My heart goes out to the children who are probably very scared and miss their moms.

i think that, while there is truth to the idea that these women are forced to conform to an set standard because of the religion, i have two basic problems with this tack. first, there are people who actively choose lifestyles many would consider repressive. you cannot force someone to adopt it, but you equally cannot force them to leave. a very different community with a similar disconnect from society at large are the Amish and the Mennonites. But when their children are given the chance to leave, and to chose the lifestyle they feel is best, most of them come home. my second, and more ideological issue is, why is it that only women can be repressed by societies? i think savemejeebus had a good point: if you think the women are screwed up, think about what they must be doing to the men.

Hey Cord - you realize there’s a middle ground, right? Or is this a less than subtle comment on how jaded mainstream media has made you?

RCDC: think about what “they” are doing to the men, you mean the religion or the women?

all the world’s problems resultant of religion. It’s a shame.

come on, he wasn’t attacking women. do you really think cord jefferson of mollygood.com thinks that polygamist women are where its at? come on. its called a joke. he’s calling on the exact opposite of what we’re all used to when it comes to fashion and modesty to make a point about his own disillusionment. take it down a notch - and this coming from a rabid feminist.

So these women are appealing because they are all sharing one man (sounds like the girls on Flavor of Love to me)and pop out kids who are in a sense, going to be interrelated? Yeah, nothing’s sexier than being forced to marry your first cousin. I really hope you were just being fecicious.

Rape. Child molestation. Forced marriage. Hot.

hunkerga: No, all the world’s problems are due to humans. Religion is but one of many tools.

Lily, why are you so wise? Dang!

hunkerga-you get it. Religion is a disease. These women need to be put in jail as accessories to the crime of child molestation, rape, and mental/emotional cruelty. queencrane-you are an idiot and the reason women keep getting away with the “I’m just a week victim” bullshit. There is NO excuse for letting your child be abused. jbonz kind of gets it but off with the sympathy for them. The women are using projection. It’s the typical passive aggressive way women abuse children by letting others do it for them while they stand by. Doing NOTHING!! I have worked in hospitals with children who’s mother have burned them with cigarettes and their fathers haven beaten their teeth out of their heads. Who do you think they cry for? The parent who abused them. It’s nature and all they know. That’s no excuse for anyone to let a child be raped. Got that kids? Hopefully you will ask children if they are being abused if they act out around you. Ninety nine percent of children are abused by family and friends. Most people do not have the integrity to stop it, that’s why we have social services and teachers now are mandated reporters or they LOOSE their jobs. Too many people do not care at all about child abuse in their actions!! These women will swear they love their children and would never, by the love of juses christ, let them be abused. Morons/mormons.

Um, QueenCrone did not condone any behavior. She mainly felt sympathy because both the children and their mothers are missing eachother. Like you said, who do the abused kids cry for? So why does understanding that there are complex emotions involved in this travesty help “women get away” with just being weak victims? Because the two are not related.

That being said, cases like these are hard because they may not see it as abuse. They’re stupid and it sucks, but there it is. Don’t take that as me saying they shouldn’t be punished. Not everyone who commits a crime is convinced it is wrong, or feels remorse.

But you know, thanks for rating how much people “get it.”

no different than the fucking muslims……but you don’t hear about the authorities going after them because that would be politically incorrect….ever heard of honour killing, and forcing the veil in the home? marrying cousins? c’mon go after all of them!!!

If it’s wrong to impregnate your 13 year old daughter, then I don’t want to be right. Go back to Soviet Russia you damn reds!

danny, you’re such a hot bitch.

I am slowly but surely falling for you Danny.

Economics, if I am ever a teacher who is about to “LOOSE” her job, rest assured I will find some of your self righteousness and tie it up tight.

I’m confused, they consider vanity to be a sin.. what’s with the braces?

Yes Lisa, they are related and people like you and child molesters, who get thier emotions-love for thier chidlren “mixed up” is the problem. Things are actually very cut and dry about child abuse but you like to make it messy-feelings. Feelings are not the end all, behavior is. Your welcome on the rating. To bad no ones around to rate religion on how it may affect the poor children born into it. But i am sure you would like the freedom of religion to include childen being born into cults and then, gasp, educated in them as well. No chance for them. But to someone like you, who makes the excuse, like “complex emotions”. I rate you of little back bone.

economics, it must be a great feeling to have all the answers.

You are almost as bad as the prophet of that sect.

I do not feel sorry for these women at all, but part of me has to remember that the women who are in thier 20’s and 30’s have literally been born into this whole insane sect. They don’t know any different so to them, this whole fucked up world is thier reality. We cannot identify with them anymore than they can identify with us. I think their actions are appauling, but to them, this is par for the course. However, I think deep down they know this is wrong. They obviously are lying to the authorities and the media about what is going on - if they genuinely thought this was ok, they would not feel a reason to lie. I think they know it’s a jacked up situation, but feel that this is simply the way it is for them.

Bravo needs to do a “Real Housewives of Yearning For Zion”. I want to see how the sister-wives work it out.

I can see it now:

Martha: (Talking to camera) I was so mad at my husband for some mess he said to me about “did I can some weight” or is it my new hairstyle. And it was my ON night with him.

So I asked Matilda to cover for me. I can’t even stand to look at him right now. I just told him that I had a bunch of mending to do. And I had a headache.

correction: “did I GAIN some weight”

I wish I could wear my nightie all day…sigh

And here is Matilda to camera:

“You know, I just love Martha, but she is always finding some reason why I have to take her ON nights.
I am the stay at home sister-wife, but that doesn’t mean that I am eating bon bons all day. Do you know how much laundry I have to do?
I think Sarah needs to step up. She won’t mind.”

This could be a hit.

Like “Girls Next Door” with out the nudity and augmentation.

Cool, economics. And I rate you someone who is too stupid to divorce the morality of the subject from the perpetrator’s perception of that morality.

So fuck you for calling me or equating me with a child molester and fuck you for being too stupid to understand what I was saying. Also, fuck you for not reading the entirety of the post where I clearly say don’t take what I said for belief that they shouldn’t be punished. Meaning they should be punished, der.

So, to dumb it down for you, QC didn’t condone their actions, she did, however, recognize that all parties were probably hurting. Notice I never said whether I agreed with her or not, another assumption you made. I was just helping your dumb ass understand. I, by the way, am a firm non-believe, but good job making up what I believe. Please, feel free to make even more ridiculous assumptions, it just shows what an ass you are. So, to reiterate: They should be thrown in jail, they were wrong. That goes with the understanding that they probably miss their kids and their kids miss them. Duh!

I find it amazing you talk about actions and not emotions being what count as if someone said otherwise. One can wish they go to jail and still understand that they miss their kids, etc. Only morons don’t get this.

Lisa - “they” the sect as a whole. it’s not as though the religion brainwashes the women MORE than the men. but it’s not really the religion. a church is only as good as the people in it.

Right on, I was just curious, because I was going to mention (and now it is a salient point) that the sect ousts young men in order to keep the gender imbalance. I’ve read that the young men usually end up drug addicts and prostitutes because they don’t know how to cope with the outside world. The whole thing is so fucked up.

Those young men are known as the “Lost Boys”.

The members of this sect were alarmed at the way that Warren Jeffs has been handling things since his father fell ill, and died.

When his father was at the helm, no one got got married unless they were at least 20 years old.

When Warren took over, after his father’s stroke, he started implementing all sorts of unbelievable rules like underage marraige, no internet access and definitely no t.v. or basketball (?)(No basketball is just simply inhuman) and made folks get rid of pets.

He also made clothing restrictions more stringent and started a big purge with the young boys and some of the married men.

The purges suck ass, because where are these folks supposed to go? All there relatives are in the compound because of the inbreeding. There is no cousin on the west coast they they could go stay with. There are sons and husbands put out at this prophets will and whim.

That is some serious mind, thought, and power control.

It’s not as black and white as some folks think it is.

Jim Jones, folks. Stockholm syndrome. It boggles my mind.

You may think that you would react a certain way, but, you just don’t know until you are actually in that situation.

You’re in San Angelo Kate? My heart goes out to you. I couldn’t imagine what the media circus is like there. I live in Odessa and it’s bad enough here.

If CONSENTING,EDUCATED ADULTS want to have a polygamist relationship, Fine! But only if it goes both ways. Actually, it should be a group of guys to a gal so she gets everything she needs…These ladies have been forced into ignorance. Their sons have been driven to homelessness so old f**ks can get off on little girls. Child molesters need to have their junk cut off and fed to them raw. Just my opinion….

I won’t stand in your way
let your hatred grow
and she’ll scream
and she’ll shout
and she’ll pray
and she had a name
yeah she had a name

That is beautiful Bedbugsandballyhoo. That sums it right up.

She had a name.

I can’t take credit. That’s my boys Muse. Song, aptly entitled, “Stockholm Syndrome.”

I resent having to sent my young sons out to fight a war.

I would similarly resent having to sent my young sons out to some unknown fate because the prophet said so.

I am not that different from these women that we can’t seem to understand.

They are at the mercy and the whims of their Husband and their Prophet.

I am at the mercy and the whims of the government and the President.

Did yousee the chick with the massive unibrow on CNN’s poligimy program. I thought I was looking at a bert and ernie segment of sesemea strret for a moment.

I did try to lighten up, Rachel, I promise I tried to get it into the whole reality show arena.

I will settle down. Here:

Damn that was like a Frieda Kahlo flash back. I guess the prophet doesn’t allow tweesers.

How is that?

Does the book of Mormon forbid eating? These women all look about 3 hot meals short.

I feel that the judge has made an error in deciding to keep these children from their mothers. Every thirty min or some such shit a 13-14 year old girl in our country is impregnated, we cannot assume that this is all malicious behavior. There are a few states in the Union that even ALLOW marriage between a fourteen year old with parental consent! This is a scary example of what happens when our constitution is manipulated by an “activist judge”. When a religion, no matter how “crazy” according to our societal norms, is treated unjustly all Americans should be offended. I’m not defending what happened at that compound. But I do know that we all consider the Chinese gov’ts treatment of the people of Tibet cruel and unusual, we should hold ourselves up to a better standard.

so McCall’s still makes that pattern?

As if being oppressed and bullied and God knows what all else isn’t bad enough, has anyone seen a single one of these women who might weigh over 120lbs? They all look very thin and frail to me. I also wonder if these women aren’t living a nightmare right now?? How many don’t WANT their lives to change, how many are going to go right back to their former lives as soon as they possibly can? What happens when you’ve been raised a certain way and all of a sudden you’re plucked forcibly out of your life and told that it’s wrong, you’re abused, oppressed and these nice strangers are going to help you? It’s got to be awfully confusing. I mean really, how many of those women are going to grab their kids and say, “Oh thank God you got us out of there”, cut their hair, visit the mall for a new wardrobe and get a job as a coffee barista at Starbucks?

While girls can technically have kids once they start menstruating, it’s not really ideal. They’re at higher risk for all sorts of problems, just like pregnancies for 40+ year old mothers.

I’d like to know when the men in this place will stop using thier wives as shields and start answering questions. The women are controlled by the men in this compound, so it’s obvious why they don’t allow the kids to have contact with thier mothers. If them men control the women, then who knows what the women are going to tell these kids!

blah, I think that most of the men are controlled too. I think that the current Profit is the tyrant, despot, totalitarian leader.

Warren Jeffs is currently serving a life sentence for his crimes so he’s not able to control them the way he once did. I’ve been listening to a woman who was a former member of that cult and she said that the men are bred to believe that this is how it’s supposed to be. They are raised believing that they need to control the women and treat the women like crap. Apparently this wife didn’t have as much seniority as the other wives because the other wives were allowed to gang up on her and she was in charge of doing the chores that the other wives didn’t want to do. It’s such a sick, twisted world they live in.

Being molested doesn’t have to be bad. The government should spend our tax money on a more effecicient manner of dealing with the morewomon issue (MOREWOMON? GET IT?), like teaching the kids to pretend the perpetrator is someone like Tuxedo Mask, not their 47-year-old cousin named Winston (BOOORRRING). That way they get whet. When you’re not whet, the intercourse in painful (THANKS, PAPA, YOU SILLY GOAT). If we take the children away from their families, we will cause them as much pain as if we have them raped routinely (ALLITERATION! CUTE!). Do we really want to cause these children pain of any sort? Now, some people may think it is “twisted” to try to get moppets to take pleasure in being sexually assaulted, but they are letting their reason be clouded by their sentiment. With this method, both parties come out satisfied. There is no gift greater than giving a toddler the oppurtunity to act like she is making love to Tuxedo Mask after he shared the secret of his real name being Mamoru Chiba (HOW EXOTIC!) and how his mask is too small to actually conceal his identity (he just wears it “to add some of that mystery chicks dig,” whilst showing off his razor-sharp cheeckbones). He follows by sweetly tickling you with his signature roses… Ahh, to be young and raped again!
PS
He doesn’t only use his black cane like a sword.

They haven’t appointed a new prophet, because they believe that Warren speaks for God. Merril Jessop seems to be the “man of the hour” while Warren is currently being “persecuted by the government”.

One of Merril’s plural wives left the sect a while back and has written a pretty interesting book. (to me, anyway)

Here is the thing that I think about. If you want to get out, where do you go? All the intermarraige means that all your family is in the sect. You don’t have a cousin or auntie on the west coast or east coast to run away to. You are soley, really, truly on your own.

Whether you are a young innocent 15 year old boy that was excommunicated; or a father that was excommunicated, and your wives and children will be assigned to other men in the sect; or a mother that felt sickened at the thought of your 15 year old daughter having to get married, and now you and your 12 children have to escape.

Where do you go?

To queencrone’s home.

Holy shit. I am the most fucking annoying drunk of all time.

I love you Il!

chellelee79, yeah it’s pretty ridiculous here. rumor had it oprah came to angelo…i hate that woman! it’s finally calming down here, though.