The Lay of the Hollywoodland

Here's your handy-dandy visual representation of LA's homophobia.

As you can see, South Central is not too keen on the gays, whereas WeHo and Santa Monica are BFFs with them. The Valley is apparently teeming with bigots, so it's a good thing nobody cares about it.

That red dot is Silver Lake, the obnoxious hamlet where your editor used to lay his head. Silver Lake is very, very, very gay and in what's basically East Hollywood, just a couple miles away from another big "yes" voting area—East LA.

Conclusion: Another way to look at this map is as a guide to show you where in Los Angeles ethnic minorities and old people live. Sad but true.

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Nov 11, 2008 · posted by Cord Jefferson, MollyGood · Link · 22 Responses
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Comments (22)

No. 1 Stoney says:

Most of those people thought voting "yes" was a yes to gay marraige. Idgits.

Posted: Nov 11, 2008 at 5:27 pm
No. 2 Tom says:

And the blame for the misunderstanding should rest with the No on 8 campaign. If the No on 8 spent more time reaching out and using high profile spokespeople from those communities, the result may have been different. But the No on 8 campaign was largely white middle class lesbians and gays who have absolutely no clue how to communicate in the ethnic-hetero world.

Ethnic minorities may have traces of homophobia, but it is far surpassed by the ethnophobia in the gay community.

Posted: Nov 11, 2008 at 6:42 pm
No. 3 shira says:

*traces* of homophobia?

Are you kidding me?

These are the people who put their children on youtube singing how confused they would be if their dad was a woman or their mom was a man, and the people who said they were voting for Prop 8 because being gay is a disgusting, immoral life-choice, not an immutable characteristic like race (or religion? right. great argument).

Traces, my ass. How patronizing is it to say that ethnic communities just didn't "understand" the proposition? They knew exactly what they were voting for. Maybe they had no incentive to support us because we didn't reach out to them - but they knew exactly what they were voting for.

The studies show that young newly-voting students, on the other hand, *were* more likely to be confused by the double-negatives - unfortunate, but true.

As for "the gay community," please do not forget that the LGBT community includes people from all ethnic backgrounds. Look at who is marching. Are there white men? Yeah - and it's true that some of them are bigots. Not all, but enough to be loud. But for the most part, these protests show that the LGBT community is NOT just a "white" community. The idea that being gay is for "white people" is exactly the argument that many ethnic groups cling to so that they can ignore the LGBT people in their own communities.

It's true that the higher-ups in the campaign are probably pretty ethno-centric - that's how many rich white people are - or rich people in general, for that matter. But who were they going to get to go do outreach to communities of color? Were they supposed to go themselves? Oh, I can see how well that would have gone over. "We've come to educate you." Yeah, that would be really well-received.

A lot of the young progressive youth were all busy working on the Obama campaign - not that I'm saying they should't have been, but it's true that these were the people who should have been called upon to go do outreach in ethnic communities. But none of them thought Prop 8 was going to pass, so a lot of them consciously chose, and encouraged others, to focus on Obama because Prop 8 was "in the bag," so to speak. Well, they were wrong. So why aren't we blaming them, instead of the No on 8 campaign? Well, I think most of us would pick Obama over Prop 8 any day - but it just shows you that things are more complicated than they look, and you can't just shove all the blame onto No on 8.

Posted: Nov 11, 2008 at 7:01 pm
No. 4 Ruth says:

Yay for Obama opposing Prop 8 http://blog.washingtonpost.com.....e_ban.html

Boo for Obama not supporting gay marriage and hosting an "ex gay" gospel singer who calls being gay a "curse" at his fundraiser http://voices.washingtonpost.c.....t_159.html

I guess we know which message resonated most.

Posted: Nov 11, 2008 at 8:05 pm
No. 5 stopthemadness says:

Please do not fall in line with the idiots who are freaking out and blaming the passage of Prop 8 on black folks.

The No on 8 campaign was horrendously mismanaged. I saw fools standing around in West Hollywood with No on 8 signs. It made me want to scream. Meanwhile the Mormons sent their missionaries to Compton and East LA with fliers IN SPANISH, and (ebonics, I gather) and were canvassing door to door propogating their lies.

Black folks in those neighborhoods are churchgoing folks. If we are too battle the bullshit being spewed from the pulpit, we need to go to those battlegrounds and TALK to people.

There's a black 30 year old woman who comes to my law firm to give massages for a dollar a minute. I see her once a week and I would talk to her about Obama.

On Monday November 3, she asked me "what is Prop. 8?" I explained it to her and likened it to anti-miscegenation laws. "What is miscegenation" she asked me. And I explained it to her. And after talking to her for the fifteen minute massage, she says, "I'm voting No on Prop. 8."

This woman is an intelligent woman. She had seen the Sam Jackson ad, and had recognized the voice. But she had also seen all the Mormon propaganda.

This is just more divisive bullshit. Now let's pit the gays against the blacks. Or the gays against the latinos.

The Mormons were ready for this. We weren't. Let's fix it and stop blaming one another.

GAY IS THE NEW BLACK.

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Posted: Nov 11, 2008 at 9:41 pm
No. 6 poo says:

Thank you, Shira.

STM, you're marvelous as always. Thank you so very much.

For another strong condemnation of bigotry as it relates to Prop 8, check out Keith Olbermann's comment from Monday night:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....42862.html

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 12:47 am
No. 7 magstar says:

Sorry, but I refuse to be grouped in a category for people who voted yes or voted no on prop. 8. Seems like every step we take forward in trying to erase "blue" and "red" from our minds, a blog entry like this comes about and we are thrown right back into it. I gate being generalized based on where I live.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 1:07 am
No. 8 paz says:

Thank you stopthemadness.
I am so sick of the media making this out to be blacks/minorities' fault or suggesting that minorities may be more homophobic.
First, I don't think most people misunderstood prop 8. It clearly said for the Elimination of Gays' Right to Marry.
First off, blacks only made up 10% of voters. Whites: 60%.
The map shows LA, but what about CA in general? There were many largely white areas that voted overwhelmingly yes.
Frankly, the mainstream gay movement does seem to focus mostly on upper middle class white men. I live in San Francisco so I see a variety of races, but in the media, you mostly see white gay men.
Check out: <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-cannick8-2008nov08,0,3295255.story"No-on-8's white bias or <a href="http://www.zimbio.com/Brown,+Black+and+Queer/articles/31/Is+Gay+Marriage+Anti+Black"Is Gay Marriage Anti-Black?

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 1:30 am
No. 9 paz says:

Thank you stopthemadness.
I am so sick of the media making this out to be blacks/minorities' fault or suggesting that minorities may be more homophobic.
First, I don't think most people misunderstood prop 8. It clearly said for the Elimination of Gays' Right to Marry.
First off, blacks only made up 10% of voters. Whites: 60%.
The map shows LA, but what about CA in general? There were many largely white areas that voted overwhelmingly yes.
Frankly, the mainstream gay movement does seem to focus mostly on upper middle class white men. I live in San Francisco so I see a variety of races, but in the media, you mostly see white gay men.
Check out: No-on-8's white bias or Is Gay Marriage Anti-Black?

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 1:31 am
No. 10 Matt says:

Would you like some cries with that waaaaaamburger?

Hold on Ill call the waaaaaaambulance for you all.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 9:10 am
No. 11 evil twin says:

Call it for yourself, douchebag.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 9:20 am
No. 12 Matt says:

Never seen a bunch of losers cry so much over spilled milk.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 9:56 am
No. 13 evil twin says:

Wipe the shit from your own ass, before you talk about anyone else. What's your profession today, Matt? Let me guess…wet nurse?

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 9:59 am
No. 14 Matt says:

Zoo Keeper

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 10:02 am
No. 15 evil twin says:

Of your own ass, I hope.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 10:03 am
No. 16 Matt says:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 10:05 am
No. 17 evil twin says:

Dude, stop crying already. And wipe the snot off your face after you're done wiping your ass. EWWWW.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 10:09 am
No. 18 say what? says:

et, don't bother.

it's been my experience that the people who are the most vocal opponents of gays and gay rights are closet cases. they're SO afraid of their own sexuality that they overcompensate by railing against it. (Larry Craig, anyone?)

expect to see little matty arrested for some bathroom "toe-tapping" in the near future.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 10:37 am
No. 19 Stoney says:

Hey Matt, you got a commie, you dumb fuck.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 10:52 am
No. 20 jack bauer is gay? wtf? says:

"""That red dot is Silver Lake, the obnoxious hamlet where your editor used to lay his head. Silver Lake is very, very, very gay"""

isn't that the neighborhood where kiefer sutherland had that big ass warehouse/music studio? is he a blind item? sorry, i know this is all about OMG GAY RIGHTS! but i am currently distrated at the idea that "i will fucking kill you" jack bauer of 24 is (might be) gay. or just really open-minded to live in east l.a.

Posted: Nov 12, 2008 at 3:16 pm
No. 21 LAguyInDallas says:

the green show where "ethnic minorities and old people live"? What? there are no old people or minorities in Westside, West Hollyw., or Santa Monica?? Do you really live in L.A.? East L.A. is not a "couple of miles" from Silver Lake. A couple of miles away is Echo Park. Stop spreading misinformation.

Posted: Nov 16, 2008 at 1:20 am
No. 22 Juan says:

No one seems to have noticed something stopthemadness wrote:

"…to Compton and East LA with fliers IN SPANISH, and (ebonics, I gather)…"

Even if stopthemadness is attributing the ebonics comment hypothetically to Pro-8 supporters, it is still offensive, not equal to Spanish, and not helpful to this discussion at all. You cannot calm a fire by tossing a cup of gasoline in.

Posted: Nov 17, 2008 at 4:26 pm
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