Mortality, Etc
A good friend of mine, currently employed as an eighth-grade teacher in the Boston area, just shocked me with the information that his students had never heard of "It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday." Even when he played the song for them, the kids, most of whom were born in 1993, said the music was alien. Do you know what this means? My first slow dance song isn't even a distant memory to today's youth.
The track's not even that great. I'm just saying.
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Cord, I don't want to disillusion you further, but I'm 24 and I've never heard this song, ever. I googled it, and I guess I was about 7 or 8 when it was released…
If I'm out of touch with today's younguns, and you're even more out of touch than I am, does that make you out of touch, once removed?
I feel old. I loved that song.
First slow dances are the worst. You're like five feet apart from each other and all you're doing in walking awkwardly with your clammy hands touching each other. Is it wrong that childhood romance makes me gag, not giggle?
Why can't Boyz II Men do a reunion tour? I'd def go see that. And I know you would too Cord. We could go together. Not like it would be a "date" or anything. We could just be friends going to a concert together. Only until you get drunk and find me irresistibly sexy. Then, I make no promises.
I'm only 27 and I could probably sing that song word for word. Who didn't love Boyz II Men?! They were on "Don't Forget the Lyrics" a few months ago…not exactly BOYZ anymore, but still fabulous harmonies…
Il, have you ever been in love? Just curious.
Childhood romance is one of the sweetest, most innocent thrills a person will ever have in their life.
And my husband, who teaches 9th grade in Boston, learned the chicken noodle soup dance from his kids. Each generation can introduce the other to something wonderful.
I spent my young childhood (the early 80s) going to bed listening to stories of proselytization on Jerry Falwell's radio station. So that means I didn't start my education on ANY type of popular music THROUGHOUT history until I was in high school, and really didn't have a good working knowledge until I was in high school.
OK, sorry for the slightly off-topic comment, but I just had to vent that for some reason. I always felt dumb when people talked about music and I had no clue. I've caught up, though. :)
That song feels overplayed to me. I guess young people don't listen to classic rock radio stations? Not that I do by personal preference, but sometimes there's no choice. Around here it's either that or fucking top 40 or country or soft pop. Well, or NPR, but that's ok.
Ok, I am ignorant. I was thinking of something else, lol! Why was I thinking it was some hair band?
Well, there you go. I was far, far too shielded growing up.
No. Never. And all the dates I've been on made me think dying alone is a good way to go. (Trust me, I'm a romantic. But I don't like dating just anybody). Last week, a dude rented My Best Friend's Wedding to watch AS A FAVOR. EEEEEEWWW.
Were you in love before you graduated from high school, though?
I can't stand high school "love." If I wasn't too much of a pussy to refuse dates (except that time I was like "I have a dick") I would be much happier. What's the nicest way of refusing a date? Is it wrong to lie that you have a boyfriend (…or a dick)?
I haven't heard the song, but I was born in 19… well, a lot sooner than 1993.
I married my high school love.
I always liked Bel Biv Devoe more…wait, were they the same guys??
Then Babyface came along and was all…"nobody knows it but me", then I was all eff this that is getting stoopid and headed over to the alterna section at the CD shop and said "what's this Jamiroquai?" and then my big sis was all "no you have to listen to Maxwell's Urban Hang Suite". Of course sprinkle in Poetic Justice and Above the Rim and a few other choice movies and you've got my 12-14 year old self. Oh dear.
But then there are people who are actually in love in high school, like Kitchy and her man.
Well, in fairness, high school dudes are kind of rough. I had the distinct advantage of lucking into a really cool group which didn't make me want to murder everything with a Y-chromosome (though I've met a few since that make me rethink even that).
I did fall in love in high school. I still hesitate to say that it wasn't love… although it was definitely not a mature kind of love. Of course there were so many things I didn't see, and I made some huge mistakes, and I gave up too much of myself, but I think that's characteristic of many people's first loves, no matter at which stage in life they occur. What I can say is that I think you can fall in love many times, and that every time, while different, doesn't mean the times before were wrong. High school love is usually pretty icky, but it can also be incredibly identity forming (There's nothing like having your heart broken to make you realize you need to stand on your own two feet.)
On a side note, saying you have a boyfriend, or a dick, is totally legit. And funny. I once told someone I came from a highly traditional family and wasn't allowed to operate the phone.
I am with you, Maria - but I have to pick. That "nobody knows" song that sounded just like Babyface was actually the Tony Rich Project. And I think it was one guy. I only know this because I had a (guy!) friend in college whose girl broke up with him and he listened to that song over and over and over till I threatened him with actual physical pain, instead of, you know, just heartbreak…
I hated that song. I didn't have a first dance. I had a first, "couples skate". Yep, roller rink so I'm super old. It was a tasty little number by the one and only Air Supply.
I'm all out of love, I'm so lost without you. Sadly, I never saw that guy again. But we shared one magical night holding sweaty palms and eating nachos. We'll always have the skatium. Dave, Dan, Dirk, Darren. Whatever your name was guy who's name starts with a d. Or maybe it was a c?
I don't think love ever fades. The illusion of love or the person you love fades, but love never fades.
So, I believe that the time before was a trial. It's not that the love didn't work out, but that the relationship wasn't truly founded on love.
There are plenty of nice guys, but the ones I went out with, I had not mental connection with. And there are some serious dickwads. This jock at my school was telling me how he like getting girls to suck his cock so he can punch them in the face. Then the blood mixes with the semen. Pink used to be my favorite color, you chauvinist pig!!
I'm just learning how to refuse dates… my rule used to be: Never end a proposition with a sentence.
Anyhow, this song blows. Best love song = Halah by Mazzy Star. Hands down.
Runner-up: Cosmic Dancer by T. Rex.
I remember seeing Brandy & Boyz to Men in concert, it was the best day of 8th grade.
Perhaps you're a lesbian.
Wait…that's not what happens normally when you're giving/receiving oral pleasure?????
For real… I'm pretty sure the guys at my work call that one a "Strawberry Danish." Way to ruin my favorite breakfast treat, assholes. Also, I didn't know anyone actually did that. Punch that guy for me, will you?
See, I think we have to agree to disagree on the whole love thing. I think people change so much over the course of their lives, especially at our ages, that it's totally possible to fall in love with someone and then find that over the next few/five/ten years you grow into different people… the two people who were so in love just frankly don't exist anymore. You don't always grow together, or in the same direction, whether or not you love each other. I also think there are many different kinds of love, and that you can have all of them, at one point, through your life.
Meh, who knows…
Mae, I'm sure I'm straight because I only feel attracted to males. I just don't like dating for the sake of dating. I don't like to go into a relationship expecting it to end in marriage, but I don't like to go into one expecting it to end in a week either. I think that dating for the sake of dating undermines the importance of love. The times I've went on dates with people I don't have a mental connection with is when I was too shy to refuse a date.
Why do I seem like a lesbian to you?
That's true, Janice.
My first dance with a guy named Kevin Neecamp. Poor dude. I stepped on his feet. I was terrified he was going to try to kiss me or touch my boobie. *shudder*
And juju what about "making love out of nothing at all" & sweet dreams. I loved Air supply even though my brother in law wore a t-shirt that said "death before Air Supply".
ilz, I was never much of a "dater" before I got married. I'm picky and didn't want to waste my time going out with people I had nothing in common with to begin with.
Anyways, on the original subject. I'm not familiar with that song. Like Kitchy, the year is a "little" out of my range for school dances.
Five-0 by James is my favourite love song.
If I had married my first love I'd be living in a trailer and my husband would be a bag boy at Macs big star.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
Cooter, that would make a great Bruce Springsteen song.
If I had married my first love, I'd be struggling to co-exist with an overdramatic drummer with OCD and fruitless writing aspirations.
Wow, that brought back some memories. I just turned 25 last week and I already feel like a grandma. "Kids these days, what are they listening to? Lil Wayne???? You call THAT rap??"
Or John Cougar (mellencamp or no mellencamp).
If I married my first love I'd still be a virgin. He hates the boobies.
I was a big Boyz II Men fan in high school. This was the song our school choir performed at our graduation. Ahhhh the memories.
Talk about feeling old…. I got a new personal training client this week who told me her date of birth, and I said "I graduated from high school the year you were born (92)." Why I shared that bit of info… Anyway, she looked at me like I was crazy. I am sure she was thinking - wow are you old!! I can probably bet she has never heard this song.
Juju - I think I dated your first love too.
im going to assume, because you are 25/26 that it was the Boys II Men version and not the original version. If so, my first slow dance was ALSo to a boys II men song, One Sweet Day with Mariah Carey. ::sign:: He was a 7th grader, I was a 6th and it was dance ever. I wore a dress. how naive. ::sigh:: memories.
Ilz, I wasn't talking to you. Sheesh!
I can't remember my first slow dance. Well, I remember who it was with, just not the song. Must not have been very good, or else all those bong rips are finally catching up w/me.
Mae-
Oops. Who were you talking to, then?
That's kind of funny, actually. Maybe I am a lesbian…
"NO, I'M NOT A LESBIAN. WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU THINK SUCH A THING?"
"Um, we were talking about the rising price of flour. What are you saying?"
Your friend teaches 8th grade and most of the kids were born in 1993? Im not so good @ math but my sister was born in '92 and already graduated Highschool.
Maybe these kids didn't recognized the song b/c they r severly mentally impaired and can't recognize music or lyrics. Which would explain why they r like almost 18 and still in 8th grade.
Brandon, I work in education and it's actually not terribly unusual for 8th graders to be 15 sometimes. Your sister must have started early or been pretty advanced. It sounds like she graduated at 15 or 16?
Incidentally, 1992 is the year I began high school. Now I feel old. :(
This song is a remake, and Boyz II Men made better songs. They even came out with a CD a couple of years ago. And they are not the same as Bell Biv DeVoe.
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As a Philly native this upsets me extra hard. Boyz II Men wrote the soundtrack of my adolescence.
Brandon, also why would they say the song was "alien", they MUST be slow kids. I mean, how could kids that have failed so hard in school know that the cool way to say "I dunno" is to say "alien". Surely they were thinking of actual aliens as in UFO aliens. Creepy.
I'm not surprised payter. It's his mo. Bastard. I went to the prom with an older fella. The theme was, Never Say Goodbye. Bon Jovi was kind of awesome back then. Well, according to me the almost Mrs. Bon Jovi.
Haha I am that teacher. I am famous now! E, give me a reality show!
my kid is 10 and he knows that song (he is also teaching himself Thunderstruck on his little guitar) so feel better Cord. You just know/knew more music.
BOYZ II MEN Rocks!
It's funny because even if you were a goth chick, you knew and liked (to a certain extent) that song.
Brandon
Your math sucks. Please don't make me any older than I am - I graduated in 92 and my 15 year reunion was LAST summer - which means if I was born in 92 I would be 16 THIS summer. So either your sister is REALLY smart, or you are dumb. Either way, I just wanted again to remind myself that I am old.
JuJu, Bon Jovi prom would have been AWESOME. Instead we had In Your Eyes, by Peter Gabriel. Too bad I didn't look in my date's eyes and see him eyeing up the other GUYS at the prom….