A smart woman knows her place. Condi didn't get where she is by busting balls. Well maybe some, but she knew when to be a lady and take it, too.

and anita hill weeps as she plunges the knife into her clarence thomas voodoo
doll. look how far we've come

"a smart woman knows her place." does a smart man know his? this isn't 1890

i think a lady ever takes it.

she just lays back and thinks of empire.

*i don't think

Scooter Butt, I am a smart woman and I do know my place. Seriously, if you don't know when to shut up and let a man take over, chaos will ensue. I don't think there's an intelligent woman out there who can argue with that.

Wow I'm not in the mood to argue with idiots today so gonna let that one slide…

I've been sitting here for about ten minutes trying to come up with a response to that, but I can't. I'm speechless. And my eyebrows hurt from scrunched in disgust for so long.

And by scrunched I meant "being scrunched." I can't even type. I should get a man in to do it for me.

i'm smarter. kind'a looks like chaos has already ensued with the men in charge doesn't it? but if you want to subscribe to the Paris Hilton School of Female Empowerment go ahead. Just lay back and look pretty and make sure they get good pics. And there's only one reason why you're allowed to open your mouth . Open wide!

Fuck this, I'm just gonna have a double shot.

I think what lale is trying very poorly to say is that Ms. Rice knows when to make a scene and when to shut up because she is in politics and sometimes you kiss ass, when you'd rather kick ass, whether you are female or not.
Having said that, I think this story is pretty much made up or at the least the facts are grossly distorted.
Not that I don't think misogyny is rampant in the Bush administration.

desert, i think you are right in a. what you say, and b. what you think lale means. becuase the fact is there are some jobs you need to learn to keep your mouth shut, but gender has nothing to do with it. it is true, loose lips sink ships, for both men and women.

While I wish that's what lale was saying, because I tend to agree with that particular statement, I don't think that's what she's implying at all. But what do I know, "I'm just a girl" la la la

desert, i think you are right in a. what you say, and b. what you think lale means. becuase the fact is there are some jobs you need to learn to keep your mouth shut, but gender has nothing to do with it. it is true, loose lips sink ships, for both men and women.

i need to get my ass back in the kitchen and make some fucking dinner. ;)

Guys, let's leave lale alone, she's probably just on her period. You know how women get when they're going through their lady-disease.

Well.. then a list of the things President Bush felt were inappropriate to say in front of Condi would probably be helpful right about now. "What is our strategy for this war? "Ohh let's not talk about war, sugartits. You got any change on you? …Do you want some? HEY-OH!"

I once had two guys at work literally hi-five above my head, with the phrase "Wouldn't you like to tap that?" WTF, gentlemen?

i don't think it's so much that condi "knows her place" i think condi just knows how to take a joke. personally, i don't think i would have been too offended if my co-workers bounced a quater off my ass, but then again i'm not very easily offended. i would definetly punch the co-worker that did it in the arm or something but i would probably laugh it off after that.

OK but Condi is likely the only woman in most of the meetings she goes to. (Possibly the only non-WASP). That kind of behavior is not meant to build respect for a woman, it's a power play meant to build a Boys Club for the majority. It's mildly tolerable when you're at a bar - you can walk away from most jerks. But the workplace is supposed to function on equality, ambition, the skill of someone's work. So it's essentially an unprovoked attack on credbility in that particular environment - it can obliterate an ethos that a woman has worked hard to build for herself.

Desert and April are right on the money. There is a time and a place to make a scene, but discretion and a closed mouth in a crowded room is always the better part of valor. That has nothing to do with gender, but with wisely choosing the time/place for the subsequent confrontation.

OK, I don't really think a discussion about gender and a smart woman knowing her place should have anything to do with talking about the Secretary of State. Which she is, above and beyond her sex. We're in a bad place if the President feels she's qualified to deal with foreign leaders but wants to spare her "womanly sensibilities." If it's true, she really needs to man up.

i see what you're saying sar. my work place is really small and most of the people here are family so we're really laid back. i don't think the white house staff should do shit like that but if condi doesn't have a problem with it i find it really hard to be offended for her.

For me it would depend on who's saying what, doing what, in front of whom. I might "make a scene" (ie, stand up for myself), I might just let it go. It would all depend I guess.

yeah, BeA i'm with you on that.

I hope if Hilary becomes president she makes all the male interns wear leopard print thongs, and rub baby oil on their abdomens. And then she can spare them the details of economic policy, because we all know how men are with money.

But seriously… Hill, if you're reading this, think thong.

I hear you deimos. I think it's great that Condi didn't react angrily - there would have been no end to the media speculation about the whole thing. I guess my knee jerk reaction is to think Condi knows what I learned the hard way - that sexual harassment policies aren't there to protect you, they are there to protect the company. I feel like her reaction was a strategic move. It's possible that she just wasn't offended… still, I hope she was.

I would like to say that I really wish a quarter would bounce off my ass but it may just get lost in the crack.

I am with BeA. I have a feeling these guys would not take to kindly to be called out on their dickheadedness.

I hope she secretly spits in their coffee or something equally nasty. Even if she publicly came forward these guys can pretty much get away with anything so it wouldn't do her much good. I really do hope she handles it in some way.

it would be better if she put ex-lax in their coffee. i'd sit there and laugh all day watching those pigs run to bathroom with a horrified look on their faces.

Better yet, Visine in the coffee works every time.

Who's sensitive now dick heads.

janice as much as i freakin' love that idea i hope she doesn't do it. She needs to treat everyone equal and set the example.

But god damn do i love that idea.

BeA I do agree for the time and the place, but i gotta say, the story above is the time and place to kick ass. So it upsets me that this sounds like she went the kiss ass route.

Condi is very proud of her physique. She's one tough lady - remember, she went through her exercise routine on national television. I'm pretty sure she could break Dubya with her pinkie.

On that note, guess whose presidential motorcade delayed our work commute this morning?

ps deimos and jujubees - kitchen slave girls would piss in thier master's wives coffees, soups ect as thier only way of getting back at them (becuase indoor slaves had it way worse than outdoor slaves). You're comments made me think of that…

Good for them. I know it's not mature but some people deserve some piss in their coffee.

April- I agree. I probably would have said something not very nice and unladylike. That's probably why I'm not Secretary of Anything and Condi is!

im secretary of my office… lol

I'd like to consider myself Queen of Everything but even I question that sometimes

Jesus Christ, who are you people? Hilary Clinton? Why can women have babies? Because we're supposed to stay home and take care of them. Why are men stronger, taller and usually smarter than women? Because they're supposed to earn money to take care of their families. It's pretty cut and dry.

My husband say's I'm the boss of everything. He may be trying to throw me off so he can meet with Travolta.

I wouldn't be a good boss either. Today some neighbor left a note about water conservation on my door with tape. They put some lame post it note on top.

Dear, Neighbor

Watering your lawn at 2 pm isn't, blah, blah, blah, blah.

I don't remember the rest as my brain was near exploding.

My husband turns those bastards on, not me. But I got pissed anyway. I put the paper on my walkway and turned the sprinklers on, AGAIN.

And then right after it started raining. It was a sign to me that God thinks I'm the boss too and he pissed on the neihbors post it not. True story.

This had nothing to do with Condi but clearly I'm a bitter vengeful bitch and should not be the president of other humans or chia pets.

Woman or not, I'd definitely put Visine in Lale's Tom-ba.

In fact, I'd probably take a shit in your coffee, too.

Good Lord, ladies! Don't you know me by now, at least a little? I was just trying to help Cord get some posts. I think Condi should tweak her nips before meetings, just to drive the men wild. The only "place" for a chick, in my now-hated opinion, is wherever the hell she wants to be. I've experienced too much cronyism in the corporate world to ever agree with the Good Old Boys Club. So please take back the defiled Tom-ba juice and let's have a friendly Diet Coke, yeah?

Ugh lale you're confusing me today. My sarcasm radar is off, it needs adjusting. Tweak tweak

I wasn't sure if lale was serious either - it didn't seem like her!

i was gonna make a joke about moe green here, but i can't remember what the hell it was he said 45 times. something about perez? nevermind.

Radars have off days too. Take a look at some Gyllenhal pictures and tell me how you feel.

Whew! I just felt cheeky this morning and wasn't going to be around the computer, so I figured I'd put it out there. I'm gonna have to get a thicker skin, I guess. Can't stand for my fellow posters to threaten me with virtual shit coffee!

Oh dear moe, our time with you was brief. If Rachel is there tell her I said HELLO and that she and Tiger are WACKADOODLES

JAKE IS NOT A HOMO! GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFOER YOU GO TALKING ABUOT PEPLE!

Ahem. Sorry. I just wanted to try it.

Man, my chasm of sar has been greatly reduced today by all of this work crap.

UR JSUT JELOUS CUZ PARIS IS THE BESTEST. SHE ROCKS AND YALL SUCK MAYJAH BIG TIME BALE!!! PEREZ HILTON IS THE COOLEST FATSO 4-EVA

Sorry to copy you Sar, my radar's back on now thanks to you

I'm glad everything's worked out okay. How about we all have some General Foods International Coffee?

I say we all go over to Perez's site and clog his comments section. It's time to do some good in the world.

Oh, he "works" out of a coffee shop no? we can all shit in his coffee.

Oh my word, you all had me scared shitless. I thought it was curtains for lale, and I really like here. I got her sarcasm right off, and I kept waiting for her to turn up and clear it up. Whew… From now on, I am punctuating ALL sarcasm with smilies. I don't want any shit in my coffee.

I can't go on these all day sales calls anymore. All hell breaks loose and I can't get to put in my two cents.

Oh my word, you all had me scared shitless. I thought it was curtains for lale, and I really like her. I got her sarcasm right off, and I kept waiting for her to turn up and clear it up. Whew… From now on, I am punctuating ALL sarcasm with smilies. I don't want any shit in my coffee.

I can't go on these all day sales calls anymore. All hell breaks loose and I can't get to put in my two cents.

FUCKING DAMN DOUBLEPOSTS. Hmmmph.

Thanks, evil, for believing in me!

I would do a winky smiley face, but then you'd think I was being sarcastic, which I am NOT.

No problem. I wouldn't ever let anyone shit in your Tom-ba…

You are a lady and a scholar.