It was definitely a suicide? Damn.

Who said that?

Everything leads to it being an accidental overdose, thus far.

Why should the story be over? They are still figuring it out.

This site says it should be? This site is a gossip site… puhlease, honestly.

Perhaps you think this story should be over because you feel inadequate in reporting it. This event has serious implications, if you can't see that it is a real shame.

I think Cord is speaking to the media circus that will come of this. Setting up cameras outside the apartment he died in - classy.

TMZ very briefly had a live streaming feed from outside the apartment. That turned my stomach.

I'm with Lisa. People will want to know what's going on. But already the speculation has started and will not be over anytime soon. We'll get to see interviews from people who haven't seen him in a decade, a guy who served him at Burger King, "insiders".

Then Cord shouldn't post the pictures if he's against it. Simple.

At what point are we going to be desensitized completely as a culture? Nothing is sacred anymore. If the media had thier way, they would have taken pictures of his dead body in the apartment. It's nauseating. I agree with Cord. This man is dead. Let's not sensationalize it by looking at that tripe. It's been reported on; fine. When the autopsy is revealed, we will know. After that, the book should be closed.

Our local news was interviewing tourists who went to the scene of the death and people were honestly giddy (smiling, saying "hey we're just a few blocks away, let's go check it out!") "jackals" is accurate. I was so ashamed, for what I don't know, but it's embarrassing.

I wonder what their evidence is besides the "OTC Sleep Aid" because over the counter sleep aids are just diphenhydramine (Benadryl), which leaves things ambiguous. There are people (very stupid ones looking to die young) who take large doses of diphenhydramine for "fun" because it induces hallucinations and a dreamlike state..and heart attacks and kidney failure, and those who use it as an opioid potentiator, wherein they mix some diphenhydramine based med like Tylenol PM with heroin to make "cheese." It seems far more likely it was accidental than intentional, but I also only know what I've read here and heard on NPR.

My point, which got lost along the way is, I think it's too early to call it suicide unless you are defining suicide as dying by your own hand, period.

Also, I don't think Cord was being a vulture and showing us his apartment because it was where he died. I think he was showing us the media circus that was beginning.

Woah, Lily, you jsut dropped some serious knowledge. What is this cheese you speak of? Do they literally mix it, or just ingest at roughly the same time? And what is an opiod potentiator?

They just said on nbc ( what do they know) that it was non-scripts and prescription.

Cord: How about we let the M.E. do his job tomorrow and hold off on you deciding what the cause of death is, okay?

I know it's not completely parallel, but Cord - I call bullshit. When Donda West died you villified TMZ for their reporting and essentially ruining the life of her doctor. Your basis for this argument was the fact that they speculated about her cause of death and then went after the guy who they assumed was the cause. And now, here we sit reading that you have summarily called out Ledger for killing himself, without evidence.

Yes, I know TMZ "lynched" the doctor and Cord is just making an assumption, but not only is it a pretty serious assumption, it's the same information that TMZ is reporting. So, Cord, when you can't beat 'em, join 'em?

Lisa, a potentiator is something that increases your sensitivity to something else. In the case diphenhydramine it makes heroin more effective so you need less heroin to get the same high as you would from a higher dose. Cheese is often referred to as "poor man's heroin" because they usually sell it pre-mixed for next to nothing, though some heroin addicts will use it to make their heroin stretch and mix it themselves. They will also sometimes use it as a way of doing less heroin, thinking they are doing themselves a favor.

Man, I just sounded like my mother when she gave me my drug lecture.

I think the suicide thing is a bit premature as well. I know from personal experience that there are terrible ramifications for mixing sleep aide such as Nytol with alcohol. Taking too many and mixing it with alcohol can lower your blood pressure to dangerous levels causing a cardiac incident. I have had sleep problems for years and one night tried to hurry the sleep process along with sleeping pills and a LARGE vodka chaser. Not an enjoyable lesson to learn.

there is NO such thing as an accidental overdose.

how the fuck can people say it was accidental? everyone reads the dosage on drug bottles right? or atleast knows if they take 15 of something they'll get sick and/or die. there's no fucking such thing as an accidental overdose. jesus fuck people. he COMMITTED SUICIDE. END OF DISCUSSION.

I'm sorry I'm pissy, I just found out 2 hours ago I could die any minute, day, time, whatever. And because I don't have insurance I cannot have the surgery done. Fuck you health care system. Fuck. You.

mae, what kind of surgery do you need? I'm not being nosy, I just know of several places that will help with such things, but they tend to be specific to particular diseases.

mae - that sucks. You have every right to be pissy. Any chance you can move somewhere with national healthcare? Soon?

And I'm not saying it was accidental. I'm just saying we don't know.

mae: I may not completely agree with your post totally, but I can totally see where being faced with your own mortality you might get a little pissy with someone being flippant with their life enough to bring about their own death.

Mae, that sucks! Please have a Jack&Coke on me.

what is a media circus but setting up a gossip site, though? let's just be real here. that's all I'm saying….

No, Mae, you don't know….. we DON'T know he committed suicide, sorry you're pissed about your own fate, but most terminal shit is reversible if you avoid doctors and look into real healing.

Fucken people die accidentally from pills, drugs, over the counter, too, hey EVEN IN HOSPITALS, IT'S CALLED IATROGENIC DEATH, all the time. It is a huge cause of death. Just because YOU don't want to die doesn't mean Heath DID.

Sorry, I am not a Heath fan, but out of respect, we don't know the dude killed himself.

RIVER PHOENIX DIDN'T COMMIT SUICIDE EITHER. NEITHER DID THE THOUSANDS WHO DIE IN HOSPITALS FROM "DRUG ALTERCATIONS" PRESCRIBED EVERY YEAR BY DOCTORS. Puhlease.

Table Of Iatrogenic Deaths In The United States
(Deaths induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures)

We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million. (14) Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14 percent (that Leape used in 1994 (16) we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou's 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine's (IOM) 98,000 medical errors, we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually.

THIS PART IS PARTICULARLY SCARY:

The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people ("patients") who are thrust into a dangerous health care system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following (out of 16. 4 million people):

2.1 percent chance of a serious adverse drug reaction (186,000) (1)

Adverse Drug Reactions 106,000 $12 billion source: Lazarou (1) Suh (49)

http://www.ourcivilisation.com.....deaths.htm

I SUPPOSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE COMMIT SUICIDE?

And that is just in hospitals, let alone over the counter stuff…..

"EsquaredMom says:
Then Cord shouldn’t post the pictures if he’s against it. Simple."

Exactly. For a gossip site to post all this shit and reap the 'rewards' and celebrity of hosting a site gossiping about real celebrities flaws, etc, and then to condemn others for posting it-? A bit wack, sorry.

I have a pacemaker for a third degree heartblock. I had it put in while I was 7 months pregnant 7 years ago because I was symptomatic to heart failure. My heart pretty much is just taking up space without my PM.
My pacemaker's voltage is 2.6, it should be MUCH MUCH higher. My cardiologist (who is one of the finest in the nation) said he's never in all his years had someone whose was so low. And SOMEHOW the hospitals deem having the batteries changed as being an ELECTIVE surgery! So what is this basically thinning the herd, killing off the weak ones? They won't even schedule the appointment without insurance. Sigh.

Oh, and I've been denied 3x for Medicaid.

Hmmm, difference in perception, for me anyways. I thought the pic was supposed to be showing the media circus - that is why the tv antenna is in the forefront. He could have gotten an unobscured pic, I am sure. Your point still holds, because he could just not post anything as some sort of symbolic gesture. I am just saying that some people may not find that as offensive as just posting pics of the apt. building. Same with the condemnation - I thought it was about people being so damned opportunistic about the death. That is sort of different than being all, Heath has a receding hairline. or whatever.

But to the important bit: is it wack or whack?

eeks: What does that have to do with mae's point? Having a reaction to a drug you were prescribed when you have taken it as it was prescribed is far different than willfully taking a more of a drug than the dosage schedule suggests, or taking a drug for recreational purposes only, or both. I think her point was that those who die because they willfully abused a drug, either OTC or prescription, are doing something risky which could lead to their death, and therefore if they die they do so at their own hands.

Dying because you had an adverse reaction to a drug or received poor medical care has nothing whatsoever to do with anything anyone has said.

Isn't the point of this gossip site that it's not like the other sites. You want to see the CK Jeans he was wearing when he died or what he ordered at Au Bon Pain for lunch yesterday, go to TMZ or Perez. That's the reason Cord doesn't post every 30 seconds. He keeps the crap off and posts someone when it gets past his editorial tastes and preferences. Suicide comes from the Latin to kill oneself. I for one believe downing a bottle of pills is just that. "She killed herself by not looking both ways when she crossed the street." Same thing.

Mae: so what you are saying is that they want you to wait for your pacemaker to fail before they will fix it? You have to die before they will do something that would prevent it? That is farking nuts! I am surprised they aren't worried about law suits.

Whack.

So, MJB, it would be "whiggedy, whiggedy, whack." Whiggidie? Whiggedie?

So so sad. His career was really starting to get interesting and to see it cut short is a shame. His passing along with Brad Renfro's is so tragic. Here's a recent interview of Heath talking about death and his own mortality.

http://www.webcastr.com/videos.....rview.html

adverse reactions are adverse reactions, actually.

we don't know he OVERDOSED, we know he may have taken 2 that don't go well together. Over the counter sleeping aids - it could mix poorly with something else.

Neither of the things River Phoenix did would kill you ALONE, or SEPARATE. But TOGETHER they did.

That's all I'm saying….

Actually, either of the things River Phoenix took can kill you separately.

syndicator, You make a good point, but just because a word has Latin roots doesn't mean necessarily that the definitions are the same. For instance, in the case of "suicide", it is defined as: the act of willfully or intentionally killing oneself. We could then say that drunk drivers are attempting suicide, or weightlifters are attempting suicide by pushing their bodies to extreme limits. There are gray areas here but I'm not sure living dangerously is living suicidal.

maria: I agree. I think suicide requires intentionally seeking your own death, not stupidly causing it, but sometimes I think Cord says these things just to watch us argue and debate. :)

PERHAPS HE WASN'T ACTING AT ALL WHEN HE APPEARED IN "BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN" AS A WOUNDED MAN FULL OF SECRETS AND LONGING Check out http://www.crabbygolightly.com for thoughts on the uncompromising Heath Ledger's death. http://www.crabbygolighty.com.

I think it's to early to decide he committed suicide or it was accidental. neither side knows the truth unless you were there? I actually just got back from my friends sons funeral. He shot himself and it was open casket. My friend nearly collapsed in our arms. It was truly sad to see all those he left behind in such pain.

And I thought about this. In the end, I could not judge him. He is the one who is missing out. They all will move on and live their lives. They all will think of him at special times. But they will live and experience. But he was in pain and I can't imagine being that desperate that you think that is your only way out.

Weather or not it was intentional, he was in some kind of pain he felt those pills had some relief. Intentional or not, they weren't the answer.

Lisa#1, pretty much. I told my family over dinner to sue the hell out of everyone so atleast someone benefits from my death. *shrug*

Jack Nicholson is so behind this.

Il s'agit de suicide? d'une surdose? En tout cas c'est une grande perte pour le monde du cinéma. Sa mort me rappelle celle de la grande chanteuse DALIDA. Une mort en pleine solitude.
Une pensée affectueuse à Heath et à DALIDA

I didn't see him on what you guys call a death watch 08. Is that list reseverd only for Amy Brittany Paris and so on.

Patrick: Dalida, as in the Egyptian singer? I actually have one of her CDs. I lived in Cairo for awhile and a friend there was Dalida mad. He gave me the CD for my birthday.

MARY KATES ON YOUR DEATH WATCH 08 LIST . CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR

chelsea, it's reserved for people whose known behavior is likely to kill them. Most people didn't know Heath was living a dangerous life, if indeed he was.

NO ITS FOR PEOPLE YOU DON'T LIKE. AND HIS BEHAVIOR WAS KNOW THAT WHY HE TALK ABOUT ON TV.PR CONTROL.
THE MOVIE CREW TALK ABOUT IT ALSO

It's too early for the all caps talk. He wasn't out releasing sex tapes, dancing on tables, talking to people on camera while smoking crack. He didn't go around crashing cars and car jacking people. Apples and oranges. Not the same thing.

Oh yes. And he wasn't showing up to movie sets all shit faces and mumbling like a certain singer who is notorious for canceling concerts and stumbling aroumd.

SO THEY DESERVE IT HE DOES NOT. NOW I GET IT

HE WAS SHIT FACE ON MOVIE SETS READ SOMETIHING OTHER THAN MOLLYGOOD. IT'S EVEN ON TV

Chelsea, I know you are all ESOL and whatnot, but I think you are trying not to understand. Deathwatch is for people who are in the news drunk, drugged, driving under the influence etc. Basically people visibly spiriling out of control. Heath Ledger was only ever photographed looking dirty and only recently has he been reported clubbing. Much different than Britney not weating pants and dragging photogs into gas station bathrooms or Amy, bloody or shirtless, wandering the streets at night.

IT'S MEAN AND YOU KNOW IT

Different point entirely. Death Watch may be mean, but that doesn't mean that those on it don't, by their behaviour, deserve to be on it.

So what is it, that you don't like Death Watch or that you don't like who is on Death Watch? Pick a point and stick with it.

Suicide is such a taboo theme. Everyone wants to deny it. Because there seems nobody to blame. But every year a lot of people decide to commit suicide.

Is like kicking a person when they are at their weakes point

both

Like I said you know it'S wrong

No, I never saw that and I don't just read Mollygood, Look, you love Amy and that's fine but your talking yourself in circles over someone who can barely make it to her job without falling over. Denial is a great thing.

I definately have sympathy for some addicts. Usually the ones who try to get clean but just can't (like Robert Downey Jr.). I do not have sympathy for people who refuse to get help or half-ass it. The people on death watch aren't at their weakest point - and that is the point. Their behaviour is completely preventable.

Chelsea do you actually know these people…Amy etc? You seem to be taking up for them like they are your best friends. That in itself is a little whacky.

AND BEING 100% AGAINST THEM NOT WHACKY?

Who's 100% against them? Deathwatch is cynical and sarcastic. Nobody actually wants these people to die, we just think that, sadly, due to their behavior, their deaths are coming quickly.

Yes, what Janice said.

And chelsea have you ever seen a train wreck?

Can't look away . I get it

BUT YOU DON'T GET GLEE FROM SEEING IT EITHER.like people seem to get here

Thats what we do here, thats right I said it. Why dont you head on over to a fan-based site instead and then you can just sit and chat about how great Amy is and she will never ever die because drug addicts never do.

You should be ashame . And I'm on 6 or 7 sites at any given time Amy Winehouse forum is the the best of its kind. CONTRARY to what you think I do have other interest.What ever I'm into I'm obsesive about it.

I should be ashame?

chelsea: I happen to like Amy Winehouse, but that doesn't mean her behavior isn't self-destructive. You seem to be confusing the and the person, and they aren't the same thing. I'm not sure exactly why you feel she's so wonderful and above being made fun of. Her husband kicked the shit out of someone to the degree they required metal plates in their face, and you know as well as I do that Blake didn't have 100,000 GBP+ of his own laying around.

We all have different senses of humor, people on this site tend to be sarcastic, or ironic, and can appreciate dark humor. Just because we can actually remove ourselves enough to joke about the subject of death doesn't mean we want anyone to die. There are a lot of people who find the subject. Hell, in the UK you can place bets, and there's an entire websites devoted to celebrity dead pools wherein you pick what celebrities you think will die that year and at the end of the year whoever gets the most right wins.

You are here by your own choice. If we offend you so much you have 5-6 other sites to frequent where you won't be offended. Don't try to shame us into think as you do. We don't.

that should read "you seem to be confusing the artist andthe person"

Yeah, what Lily said.

You could leave if I offend you so much.
Your right I'm here of my own choice.
and JUST LIKE who am I to tell you to leave. Who are you or cootes to tell ME to leave

janice: my bet is you would have said it better. I didn't realize how many words I had dropped or thoughts I had revised while failing to revise the grammar. That's what a high horse will do to you…I blame altitude sickness. :)

chelsea: I'm not telling you to leave. I'm only saying that if you are so offended by us you have options.

WHERES THE DARK HUMOR ON LEDGERS DEATH

Or is there boundies

Like Lily just said, no one is telling you to leave. What I was saying was it seems you get all bent out of shape when people are talking shit. AND THATS WHAT PEOPLE DO HERE. Maybe you would be "happier" praising Amy somewhere else, with your peers-of-Amy-worship.

chelsea: When Amy dies we'll be nice for a couple of days. Happy now?

Yes darling, WHEN not if.

Lyli Pink Dalida (1956-1987 suicide)was french singer (italian origin), born in Egypt of italian origin. She sold 130.000.000 records (the first Diamond disc in 1980)in the world. Madonna is a great fan of Dalida.
She was a legend with Edith Piaf.
http://www.dalida.com
http://www.youtube.com

Patrick, yes, she's the same singer I was thinking of. :)

Lily the Pink Excuse-me for my english but I speak only french, italian and spanish (a little bit)

Patrick: Excusez-moi s’il vous plaît. Je parle français pire que vous parlez anglais. Nous parlons de la même chanteuse.