Am I the only one grossed out by this. I’m understanding of feeling as if you were born in the wrong ship or body, but to change it and then do something like this, it’s only being done as a fuck you to God and for attention. This bitch should of had her uterus taken out.

We’ll, there goes compassion, mother fucker.

c-tas, gender reassignment surgery is exhorbitantly expensive and is not covered by insurance, so it’s no surprise that he hasn’t undergone the full transition. And if he wants to have a baby, and in the process shed light on the transgender world, then more power to him. I think it’s probably more of a Fuck you to narrow-minded people such as yourself who would refer to him as “bitch” than it is to God.

I was going to make some snarky comment about the photographer for People making Thomas pose with his arm over his head (”let’s get a shot of your hairy [read: manly] armpits to throw off the balance of your pregnant belly”) but instead I feel obligated to tell c-tas that being narrow-minded and bigoted is probably more of an f-u to God than this.

It’s all about fame and money

I’m certainly not an expert on this subject, but I’m pretty sure you have to go through ridiculous amounts of therapy before getting this type surgery (to confirm it really is the right choice for you). I just find it strange that a doctor would not notice Beatie’s desire to be a man and still have a child. Sort of having your cake and eating it too, no?

I’m not sure how I feel about this situation, I think more than anything its selfish of Beatie to bring a child into this world like that. Sad but true that the child will undoubetdly have a very difficult time with this when they grow up.

I was under the impression it wasn’t so much the personal desire to bear the child, but since his wife had a hysterectomy and he still had his lady bits, and they wanted a biological child, he would have it. More like taking one for the team rather than “yippie, childbirth!”

I don’t agree that the kid is doomed to have a difficult time with this situation. It is (at least partially) how you are raised and the values you have instilled. It was the same argument used against same sex couples having kids or adopting - that the kids would have a hard time (granted this is a bit different). Maybe some kids did, but there are some that didn’t.

“He” is really a “she” cause if your born with a vagina your always going to be a female no matter how many strap ons you own and no matter how many male hormones you take. THIS IS NOT A REAL MAN.

Lisa - In a (albeit edited) transcript I read, Thomas elected to keep his uterus so that he could one day have children.

Also, ditto on Lisa’s comment about the kid “undoubtedly” having a hard time with this.

If the kid has a hard time, it’s because of narrow minded people and not because of who her parents are.

And I’ve had several men tell me that they’re a little jealous of that innate closeness with the baby that comes with being pregnant. Wanting to be a man and wanting to give birth are not mutually exclusive.

BC: oh, well that is sort of odd. I, admittedly, don’t know too much about the situation - once I found out that they didn’t really find a way to make men preggers, I lost interest.

It is odd, but I agree with BGSD: the desire to carry children and being male are not mutually exclusive. [I don’t know that men who want to carry a child necessarily want to give birth… :)]

I got you, Cord. I’m not a police officer because I drive a white car.

Yeah, after BGSD said that, I cringed at my word choice - I meant odd as in unexpected to me (damned connotations). I wonder how many men, given the option, would opt to bear the children (I really am curious, I am so going to ask around)? I guess I found it “odd” because I sort of assumed that someone taking hormones and modifying certain aspects of their physique were, in some way, preparing for sexual reassignment surgery. Guess that shows me and my assumptions!

I don’t think the child will have a difficult time because of the physical configuration of his parents. A child who is loved and nurtured doesn’t give a crap, and if the child is given these things, there’s a a decent chance he or shee will grow up able to handle things. If there is emotional damage to be inflicted it will more likely be from narrow minded bigots who feel the need to ridicule anything or anyone different from them.

When I initially read this story there was a link to another story about it on Fox News. I contemplated whether or not I should click it because I knew I would end up pissed off, yet, like an idiot, I clicked anyway. Sure enough, I was confronted with the most disgusting intolerant bullshit in the comments. Thomas was called everything from an abomination to “nothing but a mutilated woman, and that’s all she’ll ever be.” Most all went on to say the child would grow up fucked up, and all I could think was that theirs were self-fulfilling prophecies.

BC: No, no one wants to actually give birth. But carrying a child is a neat idea. Kudos to whoever came up with that idea, but shame on them for not figuring out a better way to get the thing out. It’s right up there with putting the windpipe and the esophagus right next to each other. Someone need to talk to whoever’s in charge of all this.

“the transgender cause is important”? the woman’s a freak! tolerance should only go so far. although he should have every right to have a child, portraying him and his decisions in a positive light is political correctness at its worst.

I don’t think this is really a good idea. This *person* is taking a TON of different medications/hormone treatments to maintain his manly appearance. Do doctors really know any long-term or short term effects that can have on an unborn baby or a child years down the road?

Whether you are of the “Good for them and best of luck” or the “Burn in hell you Godless homo” crowd, one has to consider the medical implications that can arise out of doing something like this. It’s just very unsettling. I would be nervous about any woman carrying a child while on massive amounts of medications, this is no different.

This is only ‘news’ because reports are conflating sex and gender. Your sex is which set of sex organs you have. Your gender is the way you act, dress, grow your hair, etc that is socially determined and only artificially linked with your sex by society.

If we had completely different words for ‘male gendered’ and ‘male sexed’ (so different that they would not automatically be conflated in one’s mind, ie not both have ‘male’ in them) then people would be only slightly interested when you said ‘a (word for male gendered) person is pregnant’ because that doesn’t identify their sex.

What’s funny about all of this is that the LGBT community is (rightfully) always harping on the the difference between gender and sex, and now one of their own is drawing on peoples’ ignorance of the difference to say things like ‘OMG THIS IS A MIRACLE’ to get attention.

@blah: you make an excellent point.

And also, yes, in a utopian society this child will grow up unphased with good parents who teach them that “stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me” and that they have two parents that love him or her and that’s all that matters. But fact is, that is not the world we live in. No matter how loving this baby’s parents are, the world is still a mean and ugly place for those who are different.

You know after much reading and getting to understand this case. I actually am not as appalled by it as I first was. Do not get me wrong it actually had nothing to do with male or female having the baby. It had everything to do with having the baby at all. I do not believe in science trying to make men have babies as there bodies are not made to have them. In this case his is. I have no problem with a transgender having a child naturally in the least. He is still a human being. The baby will still progress healthy and likely be as normal as my own child growing in my womb as we speak! People greatly mis understand Transgenders. They are not GAY they are not inhuman or “Evil” They were born with a feeling of being lost within there own skin. I myself can not judge this as I have family who have some major mental issues. How would it be for them if they could just pin point what it is that was eating at there minds? Transgendering is somewhat like that. These people can point out what it is that makes them feel lost. Mental illness can not do such a thing in many cases.
I have read the argument that the child will grow up in an unstable home.Did anyone else see the tears of joy he cried at the site of his daughter…Does that look in the least like he has lost his maternal instinct just because of his facial hair? I remember crying those same tears, quiet,yet profound at the site of my own child growing. I think this baby will be well loved and cared for. There are many families who are male and female who should never have children and should be forced to never have anymore due to the horrific things they do to there children, yet we argue it is against there “human rights” to sterilize them or order them to no longer have children.So then this man has the “human right” to procreat as he sees fit as he has all the vital parts to do so, and can do it in a healthy and stable environment. So why is it that we are being so cruel to this couple who obviously have alot of love to give? Because everyone in there own right thinks they know what it is that society should accept….If this were the case…we would not have light to see in our homes, or a computer to use to speak to one another, children would die every day in North American Hospitals because no one was brave enough to make things happen!! This is not morally or godly wrong ( I grew up christian so dont quote the bible or give me your holy holy god says crap i know it all!) He is still physically a women and is doing what any women would do for there family…loving and nurturing her child!

I watched a show where they interviewed their doctor, and she said that Thomas has been off of testosterone for a long time now. They did hormonal tests, and all of Thomas’ hormones are within the normal range for gestating. I’m pretty sure, especially with the unavoidable media attention, that doctors would ensure their bases are covered on that kind of thing, especially since that’s one of the first objections people raise.

I don’t know that I would paint this man as a hero for the LGBT movement, and I’m sure a lot of trans people have some issues with this. I am, however, happy that people are able to make this kind of choice. It’s unfortunate that people can’t mind their own business when it comes to ways of living they don’t understand.

I actually lowered my standards and watched this couple on Oprah yesterday. While the situation is obviously bizarre and a LOT to ask people to swallow, the couple seems very solid and very much in love. Even her daughters from a previous marriage seem very level-headed and supportive of the baby they are expecting.

They went to 9 physicians before they found one who was willing to monitor his health through this pregnancy. She explained that his hormone level is completely normal and that he stopped taking testosterone 2 years prior to getting pregnant, so those types of health concerns are a non-issue.

Regardless of what you think of the parents and their situation, there is a child involved here and I hope to God that people are willing to show some compassion for at least that reason.

Unfortunatly, most people judging are conservative right-wingers who are uncomfortable with this because of prejudiced ideology supported by their religion. They don’t actually read the part where it says not to judge and to love your neighbors, all of them, like yourself. -The flamingly liberal seminarian.

in general, i think it’s hard for people to get over the sex/gender identity of this person because it doesn’t fit in with our society’s simplistic male/female + man/woman categories. when you get down to it, really, this is a stable couple bringing a wanted, loved child into the world. we need to get over our dichotomous perceptions.

Oh, and southiejpd? YOU’RE NOT A REAL PERSON.

For the life of me, I don’t know why people want to continue to call this woman a man. Yes, although the outer appearance has been transfigured into a man, she is still a woman. Point blank period. This would have nothing to do with religion, media, love, sex etc., etc…you name it, but all to do with calling it what it is and not distorting the facts. As far as this woman having a baby…not an issue. As far as a woman who has changed her appearance to be a man, but still wants to have a child - a great ball of confusion. The issue that really bothers me is many (but not all) transgenders have said that they clearly “knew” that they should have been born a man. Okay. But we all know, (those of us who want to face what is truth) that men CAN NOT have babies, which is why this female opted to keep her uterus. In case I’m missing something…has any male out there ever delivered or want to deliver birth through their penal organs? I think not. So, my point, why bring an innocent child into a situation with a person who 1. thinks they should have been born a man 2. Goes to “almost” the complete transformation of looking like one. 3. Decides towards the end…although I want to act or “feel” like one, I want to have a baby….uh, why try to justify this distortion. Clearly, if this was normal, you wouldn’t have to go through all of this, it wouldn’t be a shock to the world or even a topic of discussion. And now some want to say, there is no right or wrong or gender is a state of mind? What kind of nonsense it that…. So now, do we walk around, all of a sudden clueless and say….I don’t know what I am. I’m not a woman or man! This is just ridiculous! And yes, this child should be brought up in a loving and nurturing home, as I’m sure the both of these 2 people have to offer. However, where does wrong and right play a part? I highly doubt wrong and right is a state of mind (if that is your theory), or else we wouldn’t have laws in and of itself, nor would the world be bothered with every individual identifying their sex at the date of birth.

I just want to know who is going to be the first to come out with a maternity line for men.

CClove, why do you have to put everything into a box…did you know there are more species of hermaphrodites than species that fall into your male/female categories? Also, some black bears give birth through a penis. It’s not unnatural…you’ve just been taught to look at the world dichotomously because Christianity adopted the Greek world view of masculine/feminine and then spread it.

We are bothered with identifying the sex of individuals on their date of birth because, as many people have mentioned, ours is a society obsessed with establishing and reinforcing a dichotomous definition of sex. We–disturbingly often–even have to resort to surgical means to do so, when we are unable to identify a clear sex visually, because our society is so unable to accept anything but a clear binary. You yourself have proven this point. It is totally natural to have a third sex, fourth sex, considering all the naturally-occurring physical variations in humans (and ALL other animals.)

“Beatie has a womb and a menstrual cycle, people! Quit freaking out like he’s a seahorse.”
-brilliantly said :)

Stuffmcgee, I don’t think I put everything into a box and yes I do know about other species who are able to be both, male and female….Hoever, you just proved my point. They are naturally hermaphrodites. Have you ever had to see any other animal, as we are not, have to change their sexual organs or identity in order to procreate? They naturally do what they do, without changing who they are. I don’t think you have to be taught a particular viewpoint to view this for what it is.

Please don’t get me wrong, because I feel this arguement coming on…I am not a basher of “transgenders” or any other. All people deserve the same love, respect, and decent fair treatment, without justification. However, you don’t have to distort the truth in order to give this.

What is the “truth”, cc? That being a woman is exclusively defined by the ability to gestate a fetus? How, otherwise, could you continue to insist that someone who refuses to identify themselves, emotionally, psychologically, physically, as a woman IS a woman, whether they like it or not?

cclove76 says: “Have you ever had to see any other animal, as we are not, have to change their sexual organs or identity in order to procreate?”

It does happen that plants and animals change their sex and reproduce. They’re called sequential hermaphrodites.

I’m not sure how you can say that they all deserve the same treatment, but also say that their existence blurs the line between right and wrong. I know it can seem confusing, and I hope that I am not being confontational and apologize if I am. I think whatever is right is what is affirming and loving to people and wrong is whatever destroys or oppresses. I think instead of questioning and trying to put some people’s individual choices about what they do with their bodies into categories, it is most healthy to recognize that if they believe it makes them the fullest/healthiest/hollistic person they can be, then its right.

Good point, BGSD!

CC: I think I am missing something @26, so if you would explain it to me a bit. I mean, it seems you are saying that Thomas is a woman, so it is natural that he have a child. However, he removed his breasts and such and so the above situation is un-natural. And unnatural is, bad? (I don’t want to put words in your mouth, which is why I am aksing) You then say the kid will be raised in a loving home, which is good? And then you start talking about right and wrong, I think in relation to Thomas having a baby? I am just confused as to what you are trying to say, exactly.

I am too. Also, well said, stuffmcgee.

@ stuffmcgee - I know you’re not being confrontational and please know that I am not taking it that way. =) We all know what is wrong and right. Its not a box….whether we want to acknowlege it is a different story. As I stated before, we wouldn’t have laws if we didn’t. Your point of saying “it’s their body”…There are people who do a lot of things to their body who ‘feel’ healthy & happy in doing it, without bothering anyone, but it doesn’t make it right. I’m not at all saying their existence is wrong, but the actions.

To clarify @ Lisa - You can separate who people are or choose to be and still love them and not agree with their actions that I previously mentioned. Many people (not directed towards you) seem to think you have to love a persons actions, even when they are distorted, in order to love the person. A lot of people can’t separate the 2.

My question is, do we now abolish anything that refers to gender altogether now because we don’t want to think right and wrong exist? As I stated before, you can separate the ‘who’ and ‘do’ and still love, without destroying the person.

I don’t think that gender has to do with right or wrong. I one could turn it around and as the question: what makes reassignment surgery wrong? You said that “There are people who do a lot of things to their body who ‘feel’ healthy & happy in doing it, without bothering anyone, but it doesn’t make it right. I’m not at all saying their existence is wrong, but the actions.” But what makes what they are doing wrong just because it is not something you would do? And doesn’t a person’s actions reflect who they are? So how can you affirm a person yet not agree with a core aspect of their being?

*Sidebar: I think this is a very healthy debate that hasn’t gotten too negative…discussion is the key! :)

cclove:

–Not everyone on here is referring to Thomas as a man. Generally, it’s done out of respect for the choice a transgender has made, pre- or post -op. You’re right, biologically Thomas is a female-sexed human. But Thomas is not “feminine.” Feminine is the closest word our culture has to describe gender (vs. sex which is biological, hereafter female or male when it applies).

–The issue that “what really bothers” you about a transgender wanting to retain sex organs to carry and birth a child is not unreasonable and has been addressed here, already; several commenters mention that the process is long and arduous, and involves therapy to assure the person is ably prepared to deal with the consequences. This is a source of confusion, but, as BGSD noted, some males express the desire to carry children. I don’t think you would argue that makes them less male. Less masculine is a different argument. And, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make about “penal organs” so I’m going to skip it. However, we don’t know when Thomas decided to keep his uterus, so saying “at the last minute” isn’t a fair assessment and is totally subjected by you in order to make the decision seem callous.

–Gender is not a state of mind but a social construct. Unlike biological sex, gender is not assigned to us inherently. This is not a new idea or some “nonsense.” Most of us are unaware of the decisions, choices, environment, etc. that lead us to our gender, but others are acutely aware that something does not seem right. You need only look at some of the surgical cases janice refers to in order to see that.

–Actually, right and wrong fall into the same category as gender: social construct. Who decides what the laws are? We do. How do we decide? We just make them. Laws are a consequence of modern society - we have them because we need them, but we create them.

–And if, as janice points out, you think the “truth” is that a human is biologically defined as a woman by her ability to “gestate a fetus,” what sex is a person with female sex organs who is infertile? Or who miscarries?

Just want to add that it can be hard to read the non-confrontational tone — I’m just contributing to the discussion. :)

Well said, blue canary and janice!

I knew that sociology major would come in handy one day. I’m sure my parents appreciate that it’s being used for discussion on the internets. :P

Haha, mine too, BC. Women’s Studies and Sociology make for a great combo for internet discussions.

Just because the doctors are saying that this is not going to have any side effects, doesn’t really mean much. Doctors in the past have also smoked on television and prescribed thylidamide for years to women. I don’t have an issue with the two of them having a baby, but why can’t they adopt or have a surrogate instead? I just think people are so damn selfish sometimes.

janice - I knew it! After reading #33, I figured you must have been a fellow soshie.

Haha, I definitely suspected you after #41! “Social construct” gave you away :)

Why didn’t they adopt? For people who are so adamant about accepting everyone as they are, this seems like quite a “Fuck You” to inner city kids.

Cord, your seahorse comment sealed it for me. I love you you snarky, snide beautiful man! I cannot agree more, the whole thing is actually very logical. I mean we accept the idea of pre-op transexual male to females why is this so different? It make perfect sense, is a woman who recives a double mastectomy but not an hystorectomy any less female in biological terms?

I am not against anyone having a baby no matter what but at the end of the day Thomas is not a man…& his pregnancy proves it! He can call himself a man, act like a man, talk like a man, dress like a man & change his gender & name by law…but his body & mother nature CANNOT BE FOOLED. Thomas is still a woman! I hope the baby is healthy & happy.

@ blackhoneybrown receives (oops!)

It’s still a woman’s body and uterus. Still FEMALE!

Oh, there is nothing that I can add to Blue Canary or janice. They posted some very eloquent comments.

I have to say to the folks that want to define Thomas and put him their box for their own comfort:

Look. When I meet someone and they let me know what they want me to call them, then I call them by that name.

If they want me to call them Thomas, I call them Thomas. If they want me to call them Annette, I call them Annette.

It’s called MANNERS, people. Good Lord.

You want right and wrong defined, there you go.

ilnazhad, blah - I agree totally. Just adopt, for fucks sake. There are so many unwanted children in the world.

Stuff - I am a right winger and hate the stereotyping you are pushing here. Although I am a right winger, religion is not what rules my decisions. In fact, I am not religious at all. I just have conservative values.

After saying that, here’s some news for you - I don’t have a problem with this. I don’t have a problem with gay adoption either. If two people love each other & want to raise a child together, then so be it. I know too many hetero couples that bring kids into this world for all the wrong reason without question. If a child has love, it doesn’t matter whether she has 2 moms or 2 dads (or a dad with his lady bits!).

My only problem with this (and this is the cynical part of me talking) is I see them cashing in on this, a la Larry Birkhead. If they don’t, I will be the first to apologize, but I just see the $$ signs…

wats rong wit u le. turn right on the next roundabout and come visit me at 32 victoria st revesby

cuz come down and bring ur sister

You know the “woman” of the relationship already has two kids. I understand that all women have a biological clock and I also understand two people in a loving relationship would want to bring children into that. On the flip side of that-and I am normally very tolerant of how people want to live their private lives-how is the child going to feel when they figure out their situation? I’m sure it’s going to take some therapy. We couldn’t adopt a needy baby? Anyway, it’s just a strange situation.

Armed with diapers of death, bottles of brutality and a babybag filled with toys of terror; its BABYMANNNnnn…

Duh!!! it’s a woman, if it has a vagina, womb, and a monthly cycle, it’s a woman. Everyone needs to quit saying a “pregant man” it’s not

i’ll refer to Thomas Beatie as a man, because that’s what he and the law recognize him as. i, however, remain unimpressed* by a man that gives birth with a vagina.

i also agree with ilnazhad that adoption might have been the more compassionate and less egotistical route (i feel that way about all people who choose to birth rather than adopt, not just transgendered and homosexual folk).

*impressing me is not, and should not be, the goal of anyone. it is, however, a good feeling when it happens.

alright souldecirce, you made me smile. Not that it should be a goal of anyone, I just wanted you to know that. :-)

i just have one question, and i’m not trying to be rude or judgemental. since thomas has female genitals, wouldn’t that make his wife a lesbian?

this has been said already, but i just want to make a distinction here, and i think it would be helpful for all our conversations:

biological sex: the terms “male,” and “female”

cultural gender: the terms “man,” and “woman”

i know some people are using the term “woman” to describe Thomas, but in reality he’s a “man,” as well as a “female”. just because he’s in a female body doesn’t mean he is (in terms of behaviours etc) a woman. sex doesn’t always equal gender.

@ kat - I’m sorry, I should’ve explained more. My beef is mostly with right-wing, neo-conservate Christians like Pres Bush and most current Republicans in office. I am a liberal seminarian and constantly am battling these people’s harmful agenda that excludes women and LGBT people from the pulpit. True political conservatives are much easier to talk to because they believe more in the government’s limited legislation and would never advocated an amendment defining marriage.

Great Scot and Cathouse Tuesday - this is totally freaking bizarre. I am not about to clutter my mind with insane considerations for another person’s wish to be male/man, female/woman, plant/fish, whatever. No matter how you slice it, this is a very, very odd situation. All this debate about environmental and cultural teachings seem to cancel out the idea that most homosexual people claim to have known from childhood that they were meant to be the other sex/gender. I must be too straight because I do not understand this mudpuddle of who knew what and when they knew it and how in hell can Mother Nature be so incredibly wrong about something so important as one’s sex? I’m tired, it’s been a long day, and I’m going to take a nap. I’m glad I’m not in this mess and I’m glad my parents weren’t either. I’ve had 4 marriages and my son’s looking for a job - thank God that’s the extent of my freaking problems.
Peace to all. And good night.

I thought we kept stories like this to Jerry Springer where they belong… People in America are free to do what they want, so let’s end the freak show mentality. No More comments on this sub-par story please!!!!

I cannot believe all of the media attention about a “male” having a baby when the truth of the matter is that “he” is a she! Transgender or not…she is a girl…there is NO STORY. Female gives birth….happens everyday. Put this one to rest..

What a mess! This poor child will grow up with a freakshow for a mother. So sad.

it’s not a slap in the face togod, if god did not intend woman to be able to bear children he would not have given us the ability, do we give all this attention when lesbian couples use invitro or adopt, no, how about lets make sure our own yards are mowed before we go to the board about the neighbors ok people. really he’s a chick a girl, our thing in america in being unique being your own, creating your own image, well this girl did it, and now you are angry, how silly, why dont we all jump down off of our soap boxes, and be glad for this person, or just ignore, I meen really, some of us might need to get out of our 7th grade mantallity, and get back to our own lives…

Oh thats fantastic Andrea. 7th grade matallity if funny on so many levels.

I’m flipping the finger at wordpress. *mantallity

i’m not really concerned with the whole transgender deal or the fact that this “man” is having a baby, but being a lesbian myself, i’m kind of wondering how it is that there marriage is legal? If both of them have female genitalia & obviously Thomas has all the necessary equipment to carry a child to term, doesn’t that make them a lesbian couple? and i’m pretty sure thy don’t have same sex marriages in oregon, because they are indeed the same sex no? just curious…

They are indeed the same sex. Last time I checked a female had a vagina, and a male had a penis. I’m just amazed at how people think because you surgically turn a penis outside in or add and extension to a vagina that you’re now the opposite sex….oh well.

*an

I believe they’re legally married, as he is legally a man. To get a marriage license, you don’t have to expose yourself to the clerk to prove your sexuality (not sexual preference, not who you consider yourself to be… you simply don’t have to pull down your pants). You only have to show that a man and woman want to marry. As Thomas legally become a man, he can then get married to a woman.

That being said, I’m so happy for this couple. She can no longer have children, and as he’s capable of having them, yay, thay can have a child together.

I agree, this may be hard for the child to deal with as he/she grows and realize the way in which it came into the world… but is it any harder than any other odd means of conception? For example, if someone was to be raped by her stepfather, and a baby was to born of that union - for that child to discover that his/her father is her legal grandfather?

Their are many other situations that would mess with a child, in my opinion, much more than this one.

I don’t quite understand. He’s female. No matter what she looks like, what parts she has, if you draw her blood, the chromosomes will still be XX no matter what. What’s the big deal. It’s a man pregnant, not a male pregnant. Still a woman. He has had a masectomy (might not have spelled that correctly) and cannot produce milk, but then again, there are a number of mothers who do not breast-feed and use formula anyways.

The kid will probably only have a hard time because of other people, not his/her parents, much like the argument against homosexual parents (despite the fact the majority raise are heterosexual). After all, who knows if they even plan to tell the kid (if the kid didn’t find out from anyone else, crazy i know); there’s a mother and father-looking figure.

I really don’t see what the heck is the big deal here. I mean, so what if a female wants to have a baby and be the father figure? It’s their kid and their life. What’s the big deal?

The fact is, this is the proof that transgender people are not what they say they are. They were born as the correct sex, but have a mentally ill compulsion to be the opposite sex. Her body does not lie, even if she tried to lie to herself and tried to impersonate a man.

My point exactly Jeffey and people should not have to distort what is truth.

as Frank Zappa said:

You are what you is

so i says- this AINT A MAN by god’s definition

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Oh please. DNA is DNA. This woman will always have the same WOMAN chromosones, thus being a woman. That has nothing to do with any religion. It’s just plain science, duhhh!

If a man said he felt he SHOULD’VE BEEN born a dog and got fur implants with canine like dentures and started having sex with Cujo, that would not make him a dog. He would just be a sick man!

Really. Some pedophiles say they feel like they were SUPPOSED to be young forever, but that doesn’t make it legitimate for them to be with young kids.

You are what you are whether you like it or not. I feel I was supposed to have been born a King, but no matter how much I dress up like one and make myself to look like one, that doesn’t mean the world will or should accept it. All the surgeries and hormone manipulation in the world will NOT change your DNA, no matter how unhappy you are with it. Just be real and deal with who you actually are (BIOLOGICALLY) instead of who you wish you were.

I actually wanted to thank you all for such entertaining reading. See, it’s been boring here at work, and I needed some good laughs to help make it through the day until I have to go to the dentist.

And here I thought closed-mindedness was for the movies!! :-)

lmao @ ainno - “If a man said he felt he SHOULD’VE BEEN born a dog and got fur implants with canine like dentures and started having sex with Cujo, that would not make him a dog.” Too funny! I totally agree.

The media loves going on and on about how Thomas is a “Pregnant man,” but that’s just to sell the story. Biologically, she’s a woman. But I understand that the headline “Boobless woman with facial hair is pregnant” wouldn’t sell very well, so they couldn’t say that. I don’t think what she’s doing is a sin, but it bugs me that everyone’s saying she’s a man. She said on Oprah she wants to keep her female equipment. That means she may qualify as a drag king, but if she doesn’t want male parts then she’s not even transexual, let alone an actual man.

this worlds morles are messed up, really messed up, wish i could go back to the day where, kids got good spankings but loved and respected their parents, now stuff like this happens, its revolting

i dont care what any1 says but this is sick
by the way its not a miracle cuz this person is a she so why everyone saying man or he i dont care what she did to herself god made her a female and thats what she will be to me and to god she could do watevr put beard grow moustache watever but she will always be a she so to hell with all who think this is okay
and this is proof that this world is forgetting god and loosing its right mind

Now, I read quiet a few comments towards the beggining, some are quiet nasty and narrow minded, and others are open, while others are wholly embracing the idea.
If you were to do some research on the internet you would find many different interviews and such that THOMAS has done. He has said that before they even began to try and get pregnant, he stopped taking his hormones to let them lower naturally. After this I would assume he would be on some neonatal vitamins to try and help along the pregnancy. Honestly, this baby girl will have a better womb experience than the baby of a drinker and/or drug user.

this is the creepiest thing ever.
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HE’S NOT the firt transgender to get pregnant. Which makes me think that all this media attention has to be sought out. As someone else pointed out complete sex change surgery is expensive, so I can’t help wonder if this is some way to get the rest of the money. There’s a book coming up. The whole “hardship” title has the whole ring of identity politics martyr posturing. So I won’t be more than thumbing through it at borders I’m afraid.

I don’t personally care if somebody is gay. Which I kinda wish the GLBT community would wake up to. It’s not that interesting anymore. As Lisa Simpson said to one of the marchers in a gay pride parade in one episode: “We know you’re here, already. You’re here every year.” Message received.
People are really losing IQ points if they don’t see this story as deceptive.

This person is a female without breasts, having had her breasts removed surgically. She still has a vagina, uterus. . .full female genitalia, external and internal. Except I think a fallopian tube was lost, or what that her partner who lost one? She has taken testosterone which does not turn your female parts into male parts. There are many female athletes who take testosterone, they are still considered fully female, breast or no breasts. There are many men who take testosterone, they are not ultra-men or more a man than those who don’t take testosterone.
There are many women who have had hysterectomies or mastectomies, still obviously known as being female. They can perhaps be considered being closer to being a man than “Thomas” as part of gender reassignment is the removal of female genitalia but this would be riduculous to think of these woman as “half-men”. Its even more ridiculous to think of “Thomas” as a man as she has not got a penis and testicles, and was not born with them and had them removed. Pretty simple stuff really. However, its her right to have a baby, breasts or no breasts, armpit hair or not, beard or not. Its just unfortunate the ignorance of many folk thinking “Thomas” is a man and its quite wrong for the press and media to spin this and advertise it as something it is not. She is a pregnant lesbian.

obvs this was written a while ago, but i had one quick thing to tell you, just a little fyi. Since before November (when his baby was conceived), Thomas hadn’t had menstrual cycles for 8 years. I know its trivial, but I thought you should know.