"That one"??? How about just referring to Obama as one of "Those people" it's what you really want to say. I watched him in both debates with that stupid smirk on his face when Obama spoke. I guess that shows he thinks the whole mess we are in is quite funny to him. McCain is an elitist asshole with so much disdain for the American people he actually chose Sarah Palin as a running mate. Sadly there may be a majority of people stupid enough to actually vote this out of touch white haired old fuck into office.

yeah, slick, I agree…it was much more likely a racial thing than forgetting his name. Whatever the case, it was very disrespectful. and so was NOT shaking Obama's hand after the debate.

and if "that one" wasn't a snub, and he actually forgot Obama's name…well, that doesn't bode well either.

Between "THAT ONE" and droning out "my friends" over twenty times ( I lost count at twenty), McCain's performance was… not so good.

He's really going to regret "that one".

I don't think it was a big deal. Everyone is just looking for something to latch onto after the hideously boring display that both of these men put on yesterday.

How about we talk about Acorn? No why would we… trying to pass thousands of fake ballots.
Did Obama dance around every question. At least McCain told us his plan. What was Obama's? Oh right.. trying to keep pressing that we are giving tax breaks to the rich( which are small business owners not Tom Cruise by the way). Well his voting record proves he wants to increase taxes.
And on Obama's tax break almost 40% of the 90% of people going to get his break do not pay taxes. WTF are we going to get the money? Hmmm?

And I was wondering what time the RNC trolls would show up with the take-offense-and-deflect-with-diffused-argument strategy.

Mornin' "giveitup"!

Coffee?

Off to work, "my friends".

Catch you this evening.

Could someone tell me if he said "Maverick"?

I only watched about 1 hr of it and didn't hear it but I just want to know if he said it.

Never makes eye contact–body language experts could be all over that one.

It's funny how people hear only what they want to hear. I could have sworn I heard Obama give us a tax plan last night.

I wonder who these mysterious 40% people are and how they would get a tax break if they don't pay into the system. That would be a neat magic trick.

And when Obama talked about taxing the rich, he gave numbers. He said that those who make over 200k a year would pay higher taxes. If you make less, you will get a tax cut. Small business owners aren't in any real danger unless their business makes a lot of money. He was talking about taxing people like the CEO of United Healthcare who is not running a small business by any stretch of the imagination.

So those are some facts. But like I said, it's funny how people only hear what they want.

Poor mccain, I felt sorry for him because his war wounds made him look like a t-rex comapared to the graceful obama. overall is was one of the worst debates EVAR

I am not your friend, guy.

Morning Poo. Come on. You know you love us RNC's fighting on here. I love to get my blood pumping.
Yes JD sad when we hear what we want to huh? The 40% are people who do not make over a certain amount a year based on your family size and income. Are you serious? Wow, you really only know what the DNC want you to.
BS about the small business not being screwed. My brother's construction company made over 250K last year and he walked away with less than 40K in his pocket. Who are you kidding. Do you run a small business? I doubt it.

oh! and about the health care plans–did you hear him mention "hair plugs" I think that was a Biden dig. Grow up pap!

Contempt is SO maverick!

http://lifeisacookie.wordpress...../that-one/

Hey GiveItUp, why don't you save your McCain fluffing for after the election and we'll see if you're still around here. Go troll FOX News

Shove it Chelsea.. truth hurt? I can post where I want when I want. Yeah we will see. Keep fluffing Obama. Why not join Acorn and add some fake ballots to help your cause? Keep yourself busy until the vote?

Most small businesses are pass-throughs (s-corps). That's why Obama's plan wouldn't increase their taxes. They don't pay any.

Sure, you can post here, but you ought to at least recognize a lie when you see one and that's all McCain and Palin are giving you.

The truth hurts, but it's the truth that there are still so many Americans who can be duped after the past 8 years.

Also, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. As a McCain-bot you might want to consider being nice if you want us to blindfold ourselves and allow this country to derail by voting for McCain

giveitup sure has a lot of bile in his words. If your brother lost money last year from his small business, how is that Obama's fault?

"And on Obama's tax break almost 40% of the 90% of people going to get his break do not pay taxes"

So I asked who is this mysterious 40% who don't pay taxes would get a break. This was the response:
"The 40% are people who do not make over a certain amount a year based on your family size and income."

That does not answer my question. If they don't pay income tax, how do they get a break?

I appreciate that you want to test out your rightwing talking points here, but please try to be coherent.

You're right JD. Giveitup–If your brother lost so much money under Bush's policies, and Bush's tax cuts, how will continuing Bush's tax cuts (which McCain has said he would do) going to help your brother?

and ignore the "going to" since it obviously has no place in the sentence. Parentheses mess up my train of thought

Also Giveitup, see post number 18 about the fallacy of your claim that small business would pay higher taxes under Obama.

Number 17, my bad.

Uh-oh, no comments from Giveitup in 20 minutes…either it's the calm before the shit storm of Republican talking points he's going to unleash or he's found another blog to bitch on…

I didn't hear McCain give any sort of plan for anything last night. He was too busy bashing Obama the entire 90 minutes. You'd think after voters complained after the first debate that they didn't hear enough plans, he would have given us some. What a joke. The best is, I flipped to Fox News last night before the debate (just cause it's fun sometimes) and even Bill O'Reilly said if McCain doesn't do well tonight, he's done……

I know this is going to sound "elitist" but I am really dubious of new people commenting on this board. If I haven't seen their name pop up in the past few months then I pretty much consider them trolls. Unless it's Abe Lincoln or Jesus.

Hey I'm sort of new, but I've been here for a couple months now…..am I alright? :)

You're totally fine Stunner. We trust you. At least, so long as I can be trusted…

And speaking of FOX News, they have been surprisingly vocal about Obama's lead. Not all the time mind you, but there have been a few times I've felt tolerant enough to put the channel on for a couple minutes and been shocked at how critical they were of Sarah Palin. Apparently even FOX News has a limit, who knew?

sort of new, too… (but long time reader)

I heard McCain criticize Bush(by name, not just "this administration") a few times. I'm thinking that's another desperate ploy to entice the undecideds.

Honestly, he just sounded like a crazy, psycho old man. That just about sums it up.

Neither one did so hot in my book. Also, the camera angles were so distracting. Half of the time, they were addressing the audience member who asked a question, which left their back to the tv audience. I didn't like the format at all.

I guess it's just the angry posts from people that have never posted before and then disappear the next day. They're total shit stirrers.

And McCain seemed like he kept running out of breath. It may have been way past his bed time.

He totally sounded like a mouth breather. I had to stop watching because I was being unfairly critical of his appearance, so halfway through I switched to a radio broadcast. It was really disconcerting how strongly you could hear it over the radio

McCain will do anything to get elected. He'll send Palin out to lie and smear and engagae in the same kind of sleaze used against him by Bush.
It's scary that he can't remember Obama's name. His breathing was so loud he sounded like he was on a ventilator. He refuses to release his medical records.
John, do the country a favor and go back to the Senate, serve out your term and retire with your mega-rich wife, your seven houses and your thirteen cars.

And then another 20% of that 40% of the original 90% will get "that one, my friend."

For someone who kept shoving the "town hall meetings" BS down our throats for MONTHS, I don't think that format did McLame any favors.

I like how he skulked in the background when Obama was speaking.

To be fair, does he have any other stance besides skulk?

Oh, and from here on out I'm calling him "that one". If Obama doesn't deserve to be called by his name, neither does this asshat.

Well, what was he supposed to be doing, needlepoint?

That debate just sucked balls. I didn't learn anything new about either one of them, and it was generally a waste of time. I hope the next one is more informative, and doesn't just devolve into, "Yes, I did." "No, you didn't, I did." STFU, and actually say something specific about what you would do as president.

If I hear one more candidate talk about how they have been, or are currently "fighting" for the middle-class, I am going to kick a puppy. The middle-class is about totally wiped out, and all of those assholes know it.

I'm curious as to why Cord always calls Mccain a bigot. Is he really? I'm asking for real-please don't yell at me

I'm hung over.

We decided to take a shot everytime Grampy said "my friends". We were wasted before the debate was half way over. He said "my friends" almost 30 times last night.

I never thought I'd actually be forced to quit a drinking game, but thanks to the republican-ran economy of the last 8 years, I couldn't afford to miss work today to get my stomach pumped.

Somebody get me an Alkaseltzer and a rightwinger to unload on! *Ow, my head.*

JD, Grey Goose is not "my friend" this morning.

giveitup, please go to factcheck.org and educate your stupid self and quit spouting out Republican talking points like you have any clue what you're talking about. Thanks!

Yeeesh, JD. Good luck with making it through the day! Lots of coffee…and Advil…

My nurse friend told me pedialite is good for hangovers. Also fruit, coffee, toilet times, and long showers.

I think McCain should get 100 maverick points for laying off the self tanner.

Also, congratulations to Senator Obama for handling last night's debate with such grace and aplomb. With even the most conservative media outlets declaring Obama the clear victor, it is nice to see that a cooler head still prevails despite the red-faced screaming and finger-waggling of their adversaries. A trait, I dunno, that maybe I would like my president to possess when shit gets tough?

Pedialyte is awesome, Stoney, especially for hangovers. They also make fun popsicles that taste like those freezer pops.

Fuck, why didn't anyone tell me about Pedialite when I was in college?

You know i'm by no means a fan of McCain. The guy is a pompous ass. But really? The reason he said "that one" was racially motivated? Are you sure it isn't because the guy is 8000 years old? I'm really sick of it all being about race. Obama is an ass too. And that has nothing to do with the color of his skin.

Just whatever you do, don't buy generic pedialyte. I made that mistake one time and spit it all over the counter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....32913.html

"that one" is part of a military dehumanizing technique–cuz i guess McCain was in the military or something yet he never brings it up :)

"that one" is a subtle way to dismiss your opponent as being insignificant. Trouble is, "that one" is a black man, and this is an election where there is sensitivity to the racial difference. Any inveterate politician should know better, and deploy a touch more sophistication.

Of course, McCain could have just suffered from a mild stroke and thought he was in his garage, referring to one of his cars as "that one". BUT WHAT IF THAT CAR WAS A BLACK CAR OMG

Thanks for the tip Stoney, my cheap ass would totally have gone generic. And then hungover, with what I assume would be an awful taste in my mouth, I'd have cursed all of MG for such shitty advice. Afterwards I'd have gone back to drinking orange juice and watching golf.

maybe we can sympathize with Cindy for poppin' buscuits–you try living with that crazy old fuck.

No. 12. For a construction company to take in 250 g's a year and your in-law pocketing 40 grand, I would say that is pretty good, after reinvestment into the company, operating and materials costs. Exactly what are you complaining about?

Sometimes I refer to my kids as, hey you. I have four so I sometimes brain fart and forget. It's not his first time at the rodeo so he probably can't remember who he's running. I understand how that happens to old peepaws.

P.s. Whoever posted that link to the Rolling Stone article about McCain, thanks alot. It was very informative.

Where's Kenneth Burke when you need a narrative explained to you. Did he at least leave his pentad lying around here…

not reading all the comments, just scrolling on down to the bottom.

obama has one hell of a poker face. he sat there listening to mccain blather on with no reaction (save a laugh he couldn't contain). upon rewatching in slomo (that's slomo, not homo, although a slomo is what you call a slow homo… HEYO!!!) on my massive HD television box, when McCain was getting all redfaced and called obama "that one" you could see the slightest "oh no he di'n't" in Obama's eyes. He sort of froze for a split second.

And in the background, there was a black dood who sort of tilted his head to the side in an "oh snap" fashion.

i've lost all respect for 2008 mccain. where is 2000 mccain? 2000 mccain would thumbwrestle 2008 mccain.

domo arigato, mr. roboto.

also, senator mccain? don't use phrases like "you need someone with experience at the tiller."

what the hell is a tiller?

did i brand myself as an elitist?

does it have something to do with farming?

i have the utmost respect for farmers. especially farmer john who makes those delicious sausage links i like to eat.

but seriously, tiller? what's your stance on the cotton gin?

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Oh em Gee.

i thought i was the only one who knew about the marvels of the pedialyte popsicle!

you know who is not my friend right now?

Mr. Glen Q. Livet.

also, that pesky fucker from myspace, "tom."

saying "you need more time at the tiller" is akin to saying "you need more time on the old timey bicycle"

I thought it was something akin to, "Chip! Hoist the mainsail while I decant the cognac!"

peeing on the in and outside you two!!

McCain was wearing a black suit - he has to be a racist.

"I'll bet you a shave and a haircut that you don't know diddly squat about serving your country. And that's my two bits!"

What an astute observation, Meagan.

O B A M A - WHO is Obama? What is an OBAMA?

do tell, princess.

It's like an OBiden, but more charismatic, princessvelzora.

Get your "that one '08" t shirt!

http://www.thatone08.com/

an edward said reference!? be still my heart!

p.s. you just made my day cord!

Looks like the regs kept this thread neat and tidy — I don't see troll shit all over it.

Sorry about the hangovers, my friends. I was going to take a shot of SoCo for every time McCain gave his trademark cryptkeeper smile, but I would be dead by now if I'd followed through.

I'll let others more experienced with the nuances contained in the phrase "that one" to provide us with some insight on its background as a racial slur. I can easily see how it can be inferred as such. To me, it's incredibly rude and depersonalizing to use it in a public forum like a presidential debate.

Oh Sar….charismatic? You have GOT TO BE KIDDING????