Oh cut them slack Cord. After all they do have their (sleazy) reputation to uphold.

So he is not certified to perform surgery? That doesn't sound like a completely innocent man. Are TMZ guilty of overkill, yes. They are like hyenas and jump on anything. But that doesn't mean he should be excused for performing surgery without being certified.

Was the anesthesiologist licensed? Was the facility accredited? These aren't things that should be optional when selecting someone to cut you open and change your body.

I'm with you juju. I also recall that Donda West was told by at least one board-certified surgeon that she was not eligible for surgery due to her health, but Dr. Adams went ahead with it anyway. I think TMZ is pretty disgraceful, but I don't think Adams necessarily got unwarranted attention.

TMZ has a tendency to wet themselves and pretend they are the real news, often. But the Dr. is certainly not some poor guy who was set up.

Cord, can you really liken this to a lynching? Ruining (in your opinion) and beating, torturing, and killing someone due to their race don't really seem like equivalents. But, I'm open to valid discourse on the subject.

yeah, and the headline, Ruining innocent man, really?

I think the Democrats in New Hampshire are to blame for, the death of Donda West

Well that's not what the polls said, they can't ever be wrong.

Well what about the naked moles then? Huh? What's your answer for THAT ONE???!!! LOOK IT UP!

YOU GUYS SUCK! YOU SUCK. Get some better comments and then come back and post. Juno rules!

Shit, I need to take that witch off the stake in my backyard. BRB

Yeah, all that stuff juju said.

MMMMM steak. Witches. Burning. BOOBIES

It just feels like Cord thinks everything else should be excused becuase TMZ are a bunch of a-holes having a hissy fit. He still shouldn't be allowed to practice medicine. TMZ or not.

I didn't really look at the pic, and thought it was some French Revolution shit. Dang! Now I want some damn petit fours.

Steak sandwitches, anyone?

Oh man, I am so hungry. I likes mah steaks rare. Anyone else?

Medium. I do not want to get the runs.

Take that juju!

Sorry, I'm working towards the best ass-kissing commie.

I will and may I have another?

Yes it is up to the patient but does that mean the doctor doesn't have to accept any responsibility? She did make a huge mistake and paid with her life. He screwed up by performing a surgery he shoudln't have.

Oh, cooter, what would rumple foreskin say?

Cord, I agree with you there: imagery is imagery. But I'm sure you made the conscious decision to use the lynching reference rather than the witch hunt reference, as the subject is a black man.

At least that's what I was going to say until I clicked on your link there and saw that you used the image of, um, Hester Prynne. Wait a minute, she wasn't a witch. All that stuff I said up there.

What the hell happened to besting?? That sucks. What's the point of being lectured if you can't at least get a good "Best" out of it?

Hmph. And still, what juju's saying. I'm just letting juju type up all my stuff.

Oh, feck. All this time and I get no best. Can I still get it framed?

Note that you didn't get a BEST. That is so disrespectful, Juje.

Also, you can feel "comfortable" with a doctor, and they can still be a hack. Just like in any profession. Attempting to alleviate some of the blame on the doctor by blaming the victim (she chose poorly) is pretty low though.

You can get it framed, but you don't get the commemorative plaque.

Please forgive me foreskin, for I have sinned.

I hope it's hand engraved with a certificate of authenticity. I don't want any hack plaque.

It wasn't his first time damaging a patient. Perhaps more training and becoming certified would not have been such a bad idea. He was all about $$$$. Not that it makes him a bad doctor. Doctors also have to be business men. But they have that pesky little oath they take to do no harm. I guess some care less about that than others.

The word innocent gets to me and treating him like some kind of martyr irks me.

Look, I think we all agree with you that TMZ gave ths guy 8.5 posts too many, and yes–his DUI and wife-beating are unrelated to his surgery on Donda West.

But Donda West didn't get screwed…she fucking died.

We may have a new record here.
That being said, anyone who has surgery knows there are risks that are potentially fatal. From the anesthesia itself to a possible deadly infection afterwards. I think unnecessary surgery is, well, unnecessary. Why put your life at risk for appearance sake? You may not even be alive afterwards to reap the so-called benefits.

So what, I say if you beat your wife and it comes out because you kill someone….so be it.

Damn, I just fucked up my kiss-ass commie.

The thing is, this guy has had multiple malpractice lawsuits. And his dui's (mulitple) while not related to Donda's surgery is something to worry about in a surgeon. Just like you don't want a pilot with multiple dui's. The same probably goes with a dr.

bb&b: I totally agree, plastic surgery is unnecessary and in my opinion not worth the risks. But, if Cord wants to make this a post about how unfortunate it is that a talented and intelligent woman like Donda West had unnecessary plastic surgery because of image, that's one thing. And I'm not saying she shouldn't have some part of the blame in this. But claiming the doctor to be innocent in this is just as bad as claiming that West is.

"Just like you don’t want a pilot with multiple dui’s. The same probably goes with a dr."

Shit. I need to re-evaluate my Botox guy.

well, unless he's buying the drinks. Of course when you sober up you may look permanently surprised and you may not be able to feel your lips. But who needs those?

I don't know, Cord. You don't think he did anything wrong. Others don't see it that way. Not being able to prove, to a medical certainty, that he caused/contributed to her death is not the same as saying he didn't contribute. They are saying they can't say one way or another.

Now I am not saying that TMZ was right in their smear campaign. I was simply taking issue with Donda "choosing unwisely." Like how I hate when people say someone was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I believe that by saying Donda chose unwisely, you are tacitly saying that the Dr. was an unwise choice - a hack. (You can also be seen as saying that that choice contributed to her demise - tacitly agreeing that the Dr. contributed to her death, but I will leave that one alone.) And that is, well, crap.

Fine, you cannot prove, to a medical certainty, that he contributed to her death - but it seems odd that you can't use the more circumstancial evidence to conclude he probably had something to do with it. It may not hold up in court - but common sense tells you that he probably has some blame. And that doesn't mean there isn't some sort of moral blame here. I blame him for taking an at-risk patient, especially given his lack of accredation. I would still blame him for that had she survived. He didn't do anything wrong, legally, but he sure as hell didn't do it all right.

I think all Cord is saying is that everyone over at TMZ jumped to the conclusion that Dr. Adams was responsible for Donda West's death and drug out every skeleton in his closet. And now surgery has been ruled out as the cause of her death, but the damage to his career has already been done. Many doctors out there have pending malpractice suits against them. It's all part of the occupation.
I think Ms. West should have done her homework. Maybe she trusted him because he hosted a show about plastic surgery before and after on Discovery Health Channel. I definitely would not let someone who apparently has very little control over their alcohol consumption operate on me. Seriously… what if he decided to go on a bender the day before your surgery? His hands couldn't possibly be steady enough to perform an operation.

Oh man, the crap part was attached to something I deleted. The sentiment before it was basically saying, "sure she trusted a hack, but she trusted her doctor - who she may not have known was a hack. You are pretty much saying that a non-doctor should be savvy enough to figure out who is a weasel."

I think his usage of the word, "innocent", implies there was no wrong on his part. I think the other women he hurt would also disagree. And they too should have checked him out. But why would he perform surgeries he's not qualified too?

You bitches have gone too far this time. Time to repent to Rumple Mcforeskin.

Not being able to prove that surgery/anesthesia caused it isn't quite the same as totally ruling it out.

Cooter gets no kfc from the official bucket.

Ok Hags, I'm out. Off to begrudgingly support Wentz by patronizing his bar. But Nerd Nite is there, so thusly I must go.

Praise RMM - Rumple in the Highest.

I want a wing.

I want a breast but only if there are no implants. Fine Lisa. But don't enjoy it. And tell us if all men have to wear skinny jeans and eyeliner.

Here's the deal. Everyone will not remember any of this and be on to a new disaster in six months.
In one year's time, this doctor will be just fine.

He just needs to sit tight and ride it out. This too shall pass.

QC is definately high tonight.

Oh yea, and so am I.

Cord:
"@ Trixie

I’M not claiming the doctor is innocent, an impartial country coroner did that."

They didn't declare him innocent, they said the cause of death could not be determined. In other words, it COULD have been due to the surgery, it COULD have been due to her heart condition. It could have been any number of things. That doesn't make him innocent of any wrongdoing.

He'll go on to do more harm then good soon enough. Well, if he gets to keep his license. He's still got those other lawsuits and review to get through. Not to mention all the money he's had to pay from previous lawsuits. I'm sure it's not easy to get insurance with all of the legal troubles.

I thought my know-it-all ass could sit this one out, but obviously not.

Any GOOD doctor would not perform elective surgery on someone he or she felt to be at risk. Hell, most mediocre ones won't. Vonda West had a good doctor, and he turned her down. Rather than asking him what she could do to improve her health to the degree she wouldn't be at risk, she shopped doctors until she found one who was either too sleazy to care or too incompetent to see the risk.

Either way, it comes down to being a serious judgment error on her part because she knew she was at risk and chose to pursue the surgery even though she knew it was dangerous, and on his part because he seemingly didn't have all the information or chose to ignore the information he had when he performed the surgery.

There was a whole lot of wrong going on with both sides.

I do work for one day–ONE DAY–and I miss Cord-fest comment derby 2008?

Why has Rumple forsaken me? Whyyy?

Fist of all, shouldn't the focus be on the extemely sad departing of this woman? TMZ did/does dispicable things yes, but the real tragedy in all this is that a woman lost her life. Could it have been avoided if she didn't have surgery? Probably not. I know someone who had been to doctors all her life from diabetes yet when she passed at the age of 25 only then did they discover her heart problems. So before you attack her for finding a doctor willing to do the surgery think about the family that is in mourning.. if you choose to speak ill of her after that thought then so be it.. but just know you are just as slimy as TMZ when you dishonor her memory without ever knowing the true facts of the matter. Media is not and will never be about truth, it will always be about ratings, so please think before you speak, and take what you read with a grain of salt.

It is terrible what TMZ did to this man, but he also is not that innocent if he is doing procedures without board certification.

gettingfedupwithpeople, you are correct in that it's tragic that people have lost a loved one, and from what I know she seemed like a good person and parent, and if we were currently at her funeral or somewhere were we were supposed to be showing our respect I would fully agree with you, but do you recognize where you are?

This is a gossip site and we are reacting to a news story, not her death. The Comments area is the place where we do this. It's not the least bit inapporpriate. In fact, I'd say it's inappropriate to think we should all be respectful on a site whose goal it is to take the piss out of celebrities.

I'm "gettingfedupwithpeople" too. People who keep coming on here and tell me how I should think, feel and react. If I read something and want to take it "with a grain of salt" or if I want to open up a whole farkin' salt mine and jump in head first, it is, as Bobby Brown once sang, my prerogative.
I'm also "gettingfedupwithpeople" who want to come on here with their holier-than-thou attitudes and try to "shame" everyone into what they personally consider morally correct behaviour. We are free to speculate about a situation based on the information given. It's called a debate. You know, an exchange of ideas where everyone is not forced to take on the beliefs and mantras of one participating party. That's pretty "slimy" and comes across as preachy. And there's hardly anything that pisses me off more than preachiness.

He performed her surgery because he WANTED the publicity attendant - once it went wrong he had to live with the consequences of that publicity. Once you opt to put yourself into the public sphere for personal gain you run the risk of it turning around on you.

bb, here here

Everybody's talking all this stuff about me. Why don't they just let me live? I don't need permission. Make my own decisions, that's my prerogative.

Yeah, that's going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day.

I should have never looked back, but I did and I just realized I typoed Donda West's name. So there, now I haven't.

I would just like to say that it would be farking awful if all us Hags agreed on everything. The posts would be:

"I believe X."

"Yep."

"Me too."

"Totes."

"Yep."

And that would be it. I'd rather a little friction than be bored to death. Hey, maybe that is what killed Donda. What? Too soon?

Could have been the friction, she had liposuction, afterall.

Touche, Lily.

But one of us would have to all preachy and moralistic and what-not to get the others to see their personal path to self-righteousness. It reminds of those televangelist who say random, open ended, John Edwardish (the psychic, not the politician) things like, "God has a plan for you." No one knows what it is, except God, and he's keeping it all to himself. I think that's a job only a random tourist can handle.

bb, now you've made me imagine a world where they were one in the same.

I'd try to be the preachy moral one but then as soon as you guys started down the path towards evil (et where are you), I'd have to quit and hang up my morality. Damn me!!!!!! I have no will power.

The crazy thing is nobody is disagreeing with tourist type person. Nobody said it wasn't sad Donda died. I didn't see anybody write they thought she deserved it. She was determined to have the surgery. How is that disrespectful?

I just can't get over starting a moralistic, preachy, self-righteous diatribe with the lead-in, "Fist of all…"

Fist of all, or just fist of many? Is it the fist of the majority? Do we share the fist?

"Vote for John Edwards… he already knows where we're headed." "I see the letter t… yes it's t… and a downward, watery type swirly motion."

I thought it was, "one fist to rule them all…"?

Sounds like a beat down diatribe. Suppressed anger issues, perhaps, coming out in a Freudian typo. Damn spellcheck doesn't work when you spell the wrong word the right way.

this might get me beaten but i'm going to have to agree with cord on this one. TMZ went on a smear campain before they knew any facts. the dr. is still a fuck but TMZ shouldn't have taken it upon themselves to personally try to destroy the guy's life. donda was told not to get it done and she did it anyways. it's very sad a woman had to lose her life but both parties are at fault here, it's not right to try to put all the blame on the doctor. beating his wife and his DUI's have nothing to do with his job, for all we know he could have had one night where he had a couple of drinks and got pulled over. TMZ took it upon themselves to paint the doctor as a monster when for all we know he could be an alright guy. i think what cord was trying to get at here was that TMZ was irresponsible in the way they covered this case,i don't think he's trying to say the doctor didn't have anything to do with her death.

I agree with Cord too. But deimos, it's not our fellow hags who will berate us for it, it's those tourists.
Which reminds me… where's Denise15 been? Common Cord, throw out some enticing, PezHead bashing bait. I'm warming up the "Jaws" theme music…

lol, i hope i didn't come off as preachy, i just think cord has a point here. i do believe it's time for a good perez post, i miss correcting denise's grammar.

Cord has a point about TMZ being all scummy. Absolutely. Cord's point that the good Dr. is "innocent," well, that is debatable. I mean I guess the first point is debatable too, but since I agree with him on TMZ, I will say it is fact.

I wonder if Duhknees kicked her "ciggy" habit for the new year? Maybe that is why she is gone - didn't she post during her ciggy break?

I am not cynical. I don't think so. Usually I am too optimistic for my own good.

Check back on January 12, 2009. We won't even remember this doctor's name. We will all be talking about, oh I don't know, maybe how Jamie Lynn Spears lets her child sit on her lap while she drives the mercedes or something.

what's with the picture next to the headline. it's a bit much and possibly offensive.